TPToggle for everyone

Author	Message
Humble	Date sent: 2015/09/28 16:48:32 I know this has been brought up before but it's something I'd like to reiterate. Everybody who plays on the server (except possibly Defaults) should have access to TPToggle so that they can stop anybody (except staff and their friends) from TPing to them. Here's why I, specifically, am asking for this now (beyond the obvious reason, which is that TP abuse is easy for griefers and we've seen a bit of that recently - I know the griefs can be fixed, but why not give people the option to make sure it doesn't happen themselves?) - Some of you have seen some parts of what I'm working on - basically a giant multiplayer adventure map. A few of you know how close it is to completion. Long story short, the event will be run probably during the next holiday season so that I can get as many people as possible interested. I've had people helping me with the creation of stuff like the PVP and PVE arenas, parkour stuff, etc. (Thanks guys.) Not all of these people are donators / staff. I've already had an instance where one citizen's friend has TP'd to them while they were helping me. Result: I now have one person who I had down as a potential player, who I now can't ask in the interests of fairness. They've seen something that would give them a significant advantage. That kinda sucks, for me ('cause I want the best players) and for them as well ('cause now they don't get a chance to take part). When the event starts, this problem gets a helluva lot worse. If somebody's in a mob arena, say, then having a second player TP to them - even if they mean no harm whatsoever - could wreck the game (and quite likely get the second player killed). I'd just rather not have to risk this happening. So please let citizens turn off the option for others to teleport to them. I think this is just a really basic power that everyone should have, and it'll really help me out as well.
stojan44	Date sent: 2015/09/28 17:21:49 +1
DCThanatos	Date sent: 2015/09/28 18:02:09 +1 Everyone should have their privacy, yes.... even that type of privacy, no one wants a donor tping to them without permission -DC
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2015/09/28 20:40:49 +1, same as what DC said. i have only seen a minute part as i was just cruising the server for and potential staffing things to do. i will not /tpo to you in the future Humble ;P
Vulturboy	Date sent: 2015/09/28 22:10:19 +1 Everyone should have ./tptoggle, but still have that allow the use of ./tpa. I'm not sure if there is a way to do this, but another idea is to have a separate command that turns off ./tpa requests as well as ./tp.
Humble	Date sent: 2015/09/29 00:04:13 Vultur - while I think that'd be ideal, it might be a bit complicated to have separate toggles for "TP" and "TPA". Chip - don't worry too much about that - I wasn't referring to you TPing to me as staff. This was a case of a citizen (with no malicious intent or anything) TPing to another citizen who was helping me out. I'm not making a complaint of rule breakage or anything. For the record, I've ALWAYS been in favour of "TPToggle" being available to everybody, regardless of whether they've donated or not - it's just safer for them. It's just that now I have extra reason to want citizens to be able to stop others TPing to them when they're at my place.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2015/09/29 01:32:16 In my opinion, it makes more sense to remove teleportation permissions from offenders, and if teleportation abuse is overly prevalent then it should be removed from all donators. In situations of tp abuse, the victim should not be held responsible for failing to turn their tp off. It should be the offender who teleported to them in the first place that is held responsible, and they should be the one to loose that permission and possibly be punished further. Awarding new permissions because of widespread abuse sends the wrong message to abusers and gives the impression that they can do whatever they want without consequence to themselves and possible positive benefits for others. It's common courtesy to ask permission before you teleport to someone, and that's why /tpa should most always be used even by those with access to /tp. The only time /tp should be used is for convenience when you are certain the other person will allow you to teleport to them. With this in mind, the main purpose of /tptoggle is to automatically deny any teleportation requests from /tpa and let others know you do not want them teleporting to you. That's why I don't believe it's necessary for everyone to have, because citizens can still deny or ignore individual teleport requests if they don't want to be teleported to.
Humble	Date sent: 2015/09/29 11:40:54 Luigi, you seem to be arguing against giving anybody /TPToggle. But this isn't a case of a permission that nobody can have. It's a case of a permission that you have to pay for. Now certain things - /fly, /creative, etc - I understand why you'd want people to pay for. but /TPToggle is an absolutely fundamental thing that changes how you interact with others within the game. It's not something you can abuse and it might be helpful to anybody, at any time, regardless of whether they've donated or not. So why keep it from citizens? I'm not arguing that you should stop banning people who break the rules, or that there's persistent and repeated TP abuse by "regulars" (in my experience it mostly comes down to someone who uses TP to grief someone else, and then gets banned for griefing). I'm arguing for giving citizens more control over how they play the game. Let me respond to your main points one by one. "In my opinion, it makes more sense to remove teleportation permissions from offenders." Or ban them. Not disagreeing with your point, but persistent and deliberate breaking of the server rules should be punishable with a ban. "It should be the offender who teleported to them in the first place that is held responsible." Agreed, obviously. I'm not suggesting that TP abuse should stop being a "thing" because you give people the option to turn TP "off". I've had occasion to complain about TP abuse myself months ago, and I was already a donator then. "It's common courtesy to ask permission before you teleport to someone, and that's why /tpa should most always be used even by those with access to /tp." I agree, but in the situation I've outlined above, that really doesn't change anything. The friend knew it was fine to TP to the citizen normally - they do it all the time. "Citizens can still deny or ignore individual teleport requests if they don't want to be teleported to." But should they have to do that? "Awarding new permissions because of widespread abuse sends the wrong message to abusers." I completely disagree with this, because 1) you're not awarding new permissions because of widespread abuse, you're doing it to give citizens extra control over the way that they play the game, which is a huge difference; and 2) what message are you referring to here? You're not telling people that TP abuse is "ok". And if their abuse is that bad, ban them. Do you want somebody around who persistently breaks the rules and makes themselves a nuisance to other people? Let me reiterate the point I made earlier: as far as I'm aware, the majority of TP abuse takes the form of someone using TP for the specific purpose of targeting somebody for griefing, then gets banned for it. That's not someone persistently "abusing" TP, that's one person being an a--hole. You're not going to send any "message" to that person, 'cause they'll be banned for griefing!
armzngunz	Date sent: 2015/09/29 14:14:45 I agree with Humble +1 Removing a way for people to do bad stuff is better than to let them do it and have to investigate and punish, when there is a way simple solution. It could be like banning guns, by letting people have guns, they can potentially do crimes with them, and you get to punish them for doing it, but if you remove the guns completely, the crime can't take place in the first place.
JamesSkullBlood Moderator	Date sent: 2015/09/29 21:36:23 I completely agree with humble +1 I have seen this happened many of times when I was citizen. Another thing is if they ignore it or deny it the other player would spam it because I seen this a few time people saying "STOP SENDING ME TPA" but yeah with /tptoggle they don't have to worry about that, this also can go with the /ignore but I know why /ignore isn't given to citizens but I think that /tptoggle should 100% be available to citizens because of the fact that if the person didn't want to be tped away and let say the other person did it 2 times then that person cannot do /back and now he/she lost what he/she was doing and I have seen that when I was citizen. But yeah this need to be for citizens because it is hard for people to donate being that some people cannot afford it like i couldnt back then but yeah please let citizens have /tptoggle.

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