| Author | Message |
|---|---|
 Mumfie |
Date sent: 2016/02/14 16:01:18
So I've been griefed pretty hard at my sugarcane farm and staff cannot do anything about it.The coreprotect data has been deleted so we cannot figure out who did this. This was claimed land, and I spent a lot of time putting this thing together. At first, i thought it was a member of my faction, later I realized Furnaces was removed aswell, which is locked by me. That made me think that maybe a staff member did this. Every redstone wire was cut off, a lot of the machine was just punched down aswell. Luigi can figure out who did this and roll this back if he gives a fuck, clearly not as I've sent him 5 mails and he didnt even have the decency to reply to one of them. Whoever did this, I'd like you to step forward and admit it and fix the damage you've done(talking to you staff members) and I'll forget about it, if not I will eventually find out who did it and I'll make a war. If your justification is that it lags the server, I can tell you right now that it does not lag the server, and the reason for that is that the machine is not even big enough to cause lag, and the chunks needs to be loaded for it to stay active which it is not most of the time because I'm barely there keeping the chunks loaded. So please, luigi, fix the grief because at the moment you're the only one that can do it. Show us that you actually give a fuck about your playerbase. Regards Mumfie |
 Lerz |
Date sent: 2016/02/14 17:09:03
I'm very sorry for the grief Mumfie, I hope they found out who did this to you! :/ |
 Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/14 17:23:19
It is a disgrace that your machine was damaged so greatly after all the work you have put into it, if a staff member did delete it for any reason they should be demoted. And if it was for a good reason, such as lagging the server, the least they could have done is told you and explained the situation, and for not doing that under any circumstances now they should be demoted. |
 Larus12345 |
Date sent: 2016/02/14 17:43:35
Someones getting demoted.. sorry to hear of your loss. |
Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/14 18:13:39
Definately. |
 L3genD |
Date sent: 2016/02/14 20:08:12
If it was staff who would it be? It could've been a hacker... |
Mumfie |
Date sent: 2016/02/14 20:59:48
Yeah because a hacker would totally just hack a staff members account and grief that area specifically. Instead of ruining the whole thing, perhaps just rollback everything that happened in the area, the hacker would rather just manually punch shit and cut off 80 wires of redstone because yeah, why not? No, this staff member probably thought that this lags the server somehow (which it does not) and decided to just start by destroying it and then just cut off the redstone wires after realizing that punching 100,000 blocks would be too time-consuming. If a hacker hacked a staff members account, we'd see more damage done. |
Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/14 21:17:36
Either way the staff member should hace notified you. |
 luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2016/02/15 06:07:42
I took a look at it and there was only a small hole in one of the sections, which you surely could have easily fixed yourself. That's not "major grief"; major grief an entire village blown up or burnt down, or a whole major building covered in lava or destroyed. I can't fix it because I don't know how it works and I'm not going to spend my time fixing something which caused me to have to decrease the price of sugarcane at the shop leaving everyone else with a sugarcane farm worse off. Furthermore, what you were essentially doing with that farm was illegally selling illicit sugarcane because the farm was no doubt made in creative mode. What's worse is that you were inflating the economy by putting it at below selling price and then encouraging players to exploit this to generate free money. If you want to sell sugarcane, that's fine, though just because you cannot sell items at the shop does not make it fine to break the law of supply. If you want to participate in economic activity you must do it like any other non-donator would, which means not selling items at below the price the shop buys them for. |
Mumfie |
Date sent: 2016/02/15 12:56:05
Clearly you did not look inside the sugarcanefarm to see that EVERY fucking level was cut off. I'm calling it major because someone took their time to destroy everything and make it completely out of order before leaving. Also, the farm itself was made in creative, the sugarcane was actually farmed in survival just incase this would pop up. Also the reason for the sugarcane being up is because you fucked up the sugarcane price in the first place, obviously someone is going to sell sugarcane when you can make money that easily, I see many flaws in the shop of which I can abuse to make a fortune out of. But that's not on me, that's on the person who made the shop. You seem interested in economy which I am too, economy and redstone is the only interests i have when it comes to minecraft. I am sure if you played the game and found a super efficient way of making money, then you'd do it. And lastly, can you atleast have the decency to tell me who actually did break this instead of just telling me to change the price? |
Mumfie |
Date sent: 2016/02/15 13:14:25
Because this could've been solved MUCH easier than destroying it. Simply by removing the shop sign and telling me to change the price, that's understandable, and I would've done it. |
Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/15 13:45:07
Luigi, that's disgraceful. It's not his fault your terrible at economics and put up dumb prices knowing that this could happen. |
Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/15 14:51:34
Retracting my previous statement, he's actually very good at economics, but it's not his fault he had a good opportunity. Be more careful with shop prices, we're sick of cuts. |
 ARNJ |
Date sent: 2016/02/16 03:51:49
The severs economic state sucks it would be better if /warp shop had lower prices and you could sell better. |
luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2016/02/16 10:23:45
The only reason that's an "efficient" way of making money is because you can't sell items at the shop yourself. If you could, it wouldn't be very efficient at all because you would be able to earn a much higher price. The server's economic state is so bad because people abuse the economy like this. The blame is squarely on them, because no matter how low I put the sell price at the shop, there will always be a way to sell things lower than that and generate infinite money. There is no true way to solve this problem; even if I removed the sell sign at the shop, other player shops could be used in the same manner, albeit with a limit. Yes, there are many flaws in the economic system: static prices, infinite resources and infinite production possibility just to name a few. These aren't really because of the shop itself, but because of the game and creative mode. That's why there are certain rules (no giving out spawned in items) to protect the economy from exploitation. I don't want to remove or decrease the rate of any more sell signs at the server shop because I want players to be able to have the option to sell a variety of resources there for a fair price. However I will not put up with abuse like this which generates free money and then results in money being worthless and the loss of people's resources that had been sold legitimately. It doesn't matter if the sugarcane was harvested in survival mode (which it wasn't because of automation), all resources output only arose because of the resource input to create the farm which came from creative mode. I don't know who griefed you, the data has been deleted. Usually I save it for a week or so after being removed, but I couldn't do that this time because it was much larger than usual as I had a left the same file in for much longer than I usually do. I didn't want to risk the possibility of reaching the disk space limit and having other more important files be corrupted. |
Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/16 17:18:07
Logblock? |
Mumfie |
Date sent: 2016/02/18 00:10:48
"There is no true way to solve this problem; "Yes it is, you let the prices stay the way they are on items that cannot be automatically harvested such as iron, diamond, lapis redstone etc. if sugarcane already was a shitty way of making money, the farm would've never been made because it simply isnt efficient enough. Punishing players for having creative minds and figuring out a solution to make a ton of money is WRONG in my opinion. Sure, the sugarcane prices was dropped, I expected it, not mad over that, I made a fortune and so did others. Also I don't think it's fair of you to put the blame on me for earning money, the farm could've been made in survival which I actually did make in survival on the previous map aswell. I did not make the shop prices, if I see something I can make a large amount of money on, why would I let go of the opportunity? It's within my interests to find ways to make money and make automated stuff. |
luigiofthebakery Moderator |
Date sent: 2016/02/19 13:36:48
I'm not blaming you for making money, I'm blaming you for exploiting the economic system to generate infinite money with no effort whatsoever. This is not fair to people who have actually worked hard to earn their money. You shouldn't be able to sell items at below what the shop buys them for and then encourage other players to act as middlemen in an attempt to bypass the restriction that you can't sell items at the shop yourself. That restriction is in place to protect the economy from creative mode users selling illicit cheated items which then get circulated to ordinary players in the form of currency. |
Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/19 14:09:13
If someone is given the opportunity to earn money with less work, you cannot blame them for that. I'd take it, you'd take it.Also, it wasn't "no work", "no effort", it is a very complex machine to make, not even you could tell how to work it. |
ARNJ |
Date sent: 2016/02/19 18:12:23
If you can evade this trash cluster bomb bye bypassing the crazy shop I tip my hat to you bye making a second economic state. Trying to make an economy in minecraft is stupid just and to much work just trade things with other players. I'm a wethy player on the sever but out of actual item not a balance. |
Mumfie |
Date sent: 2016/02/20 01:25:32
I cannot understand what Arnj tried to say. That is not meant as an insult. I'd recommend using google translate or something.Also what wowman said is so true. Your sugarcane price was at 64$ each stack when normally they're at 5$ each stack because there are so many different automated designs for sugarcane farms. I'm starting to wonder if you were the one to destroy the machine because it seems you have a grudge against automated machines on your server. Anyway, I wont be building anything that requires time if the staff members are free to simply just destroy something I've spent a lot of time on creating. We were a bunch of friends that started building around that place because we wanted to make something epic for everyone and get recognition, we even made a big castle, after this horrendous act of destroying the farm we spent a fuckton of time on, we've lost our motivation to build anything at all. And it's not only because we got griefed, that could happen to anyone, but to get griefed by a staff member right before the coreprotect data was deleted, yeah no, smells fishy as fuck and no one is stepping forward. Oh yeah and the this one time the data couldnt be saved because it keeps too much disk space. |
Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/20 12:42:50
Agreeing with what Mumfie said 100% other than the fact that he suspects Luigi did it. I doubt he did. |
 Gavin |
Date sent: 2016/02/24 05:47:12
My cat us farm is my only source of money and some of my income comes from my faulty sugarcane farm |
Gavin |
Date sent: 2016/02/24 05:47:43
Both of them were built complealtly legit |
Gavin |
Date sent: 2016/02/24 05:48:14
And I have to go afk next to it for it to work it is about 1 stack/hour I think |
Gavin |
Date sent: 2016/02/24 05:48:38
Other wise I am in a spruce biome or at enderfarm |
Gavin |
Date sent: 2016/02/24 05:52:38
Other wise I am in a spruce biome or at enderfarm |
Mumfie |
Date sent: 2016/02/24 14:48:01
Jesus christ you spam a lot. anyway go to /warp enderfarm for a good endermen farm, you get the experience and ender pearls for free there. |
Wowman2002 |
Date sent: 2016/02/25 08:39:51
spaaam |
