Secondary server?

Author	Message
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/10/30 18:17:40 NOT ADVERTISING xP Anyways, so i have my own server which, as far as i know, only 3 people know the IP address (for testing reasons). But i have been thinking, what if it became a 'sister' server to this one? Owners remain Myself and Luigi - but a whole new staff board. Players which join within a certain amount of time of the server's official opening will have their Donated ranks transferred. What's the point...? Ah! I'm glad you asked! Mushroom co has continued, in memory, the same plugins and same formats have been held. But you the community want updates, you want new plugins like MCMMO, Marriage Pl, Auction house Pl, ect. some of you want multiverse with seperate worlds for PvP, proper factions... and more... although plugins like these will likely NEVER be added to this server. +1 or -1
NicHasATummyAche	Date sent: 2016/10/30 18:18:50 +1 Sounds like a good idea.
EvilGamesYT	Date sent: 2016/10/30 18:18:51 +1 hit me up with ip ill come
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2016/10/30 18:19:14 +1 kool
AverageTo4st3r/Dave	Date sent: 2016/10/30 18:19:49 Pfff screw a +1.... +100, this is the best idea the Mushroom Community has ever had.
HeyHolly	Date sent: 2016/10/30 18:20:42 So my donator rank will still be dere?
ckvoss	Date sent: 2016/10/30 18:34:10 Interesting +1
elliedlm	Date sent: 2016/10/30 19:45:27 Only issue is it might make less people go on mush then mush will become less popular. So then Mush would be pointless
CloudyBogdan	Date sent: 2016/10/30 20:20:53 +1 Agree. It would be also cool to be able to use creative in the other world if you are a donor. The McMMO and othe rplufins are also good
Vulturboy	Date sent: 2016/10/30 20:34:37 +1 Sounds good, but I'd like to know what would change, such as ranks, permissions, cost, etc.
Shindori	Date sent: 2016/10/30 21:22:51 +1 ;o
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/10/30 22:54:39 A'ight thanks for the feedback so far everyone. This evening I have been setting up multiverse for factions, pvp, and also a creative world. I still have loads to do if this is to go forward. The server itself is ready to be opened but I haven't written down the commands yet. The permissions are pretty much the same as Mushroom except builder can have up to 128 of each item in one stack and a few more helpful commands/permissions here and there.
R1dd1ed	Date sent: 2016/10/30 23:57:43 +1 Hey! This is something I've recommended for ages. Though, I would streamline things a bit more. Also, Chip, I believe the max stack size perm is only for things like /i, not for regularly accumulated stacks.
_Herambe_	Date sent: 2016/10/31 00:22:37 +11111111
ACeTheGreat98	Date sent: 2016/10/31 01:17:06 I have to say -1. Why can't we implement changes here? I feel as though we should get a strong foundation before we add more rooms. However it does sound like it could be a good idea if executed properly.
ColdPikachuSex	Date sent: 2016/10/31 05:08:52 Just want to point out you're sixteen and still don't know that 'etc' is the right shortening of 'etcetera', not 'ect' lmao
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/10/31 05:51:08 +1 Chip, you're a legend.
Ivy	Date sent: 2016/10/31 07:10:40 +1
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/10/31 08:04:30 i'm sorry, but this is one of the dumbest ideas i've heard of. i honestly don't see the point in having any connections with another server, because what would that do besides lower the playercount of webb. i mean, this is probably some idea you came up with to get people to play on your server, and it was a horrible attempt at most.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/10/31 09:09:34 Thanks for the feedback :P @R1dd1ed Yes that is how I will allow builders (but no one else) to have oversized stacks. Builders have the permission node 'essentials.oversizedstacks' and will then be able to '/I stone 128' for example. @ColdPika I do, I was just typing fast xP @Ace because if we did implement these changes, the Mushroom / Webbcraft tradition would be ruined.
HotPikachuSex	Date sent: 2016/10/31 09:41:28 ANOTHER PIKACHU!!! HAIIIIII
Harvey	Date sent: 2016/10/31 12:29:55 This is basically what ruinfalls tried doing but that flopped within a week
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/10/31 13:37:26 Rainfalls took players, wanted nothing to do with this server, called luigi lazy and stupid - claiming he didn't know how to update plugins...
HotPikachuSex	Date sent: 2016/11/01 06:50:21 Ruinfalls had the right idea.
belgnbor	Date sent: 2016/11/01 06:59:15 -1 Whilst it would be great having new plugins all it would do is drain more players away. Yes some are probably leaving because there is currently not those plugins but why not improve mushroom instead of jumping ship. Splitting players between the two servers I don't see working. I like to play on a server with people on. If Luigi has given u run of the place why not do a trial of some plugins and get people to vote after a week or two.
Shindori	Date sent: 2016/11/01 08:08:35 The only thing Ruinfalls missed was a nice active community, like on here.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/11/01 08:32:56 @Belgnbor Because doing that would ruin the tradition that Mushroom Co follows, Please read my post and comments again. I had already answered your question. Also I can't add plugins, I don't have access.
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/01 10:28:55 Your "tradition" is fucking bullshit. I don't see a point on this... -1
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/01 11:02:00 ruben. he's just trying to get more people to play on his server. that's all.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/01 12:29:32 This a bad idea, like other people have already mentioned, you should have implemented the changes on this server if that's what the majority of people want. Dividing the community between two servers will only result in less activity and less interactions between everyone, which won't deliver the same experience a single united server would. You can't talk about "tradition" when you've only been on the server for half has long as others like me and armz. This server is vastly different from when it first started, and Webbcraft has come a long way. Sure, some things have remained the same, but many of the plugins we use today (over half) we never originally had, so I don't see the problem with adding more. Did you know we never originally had CoreProtect? Back in 2012 and early 2013, staff had to rollback grief manually by hand, and griefers were only punished if they were caught in the act or had screenshot evidence of it provided in a report, similar to hacking reports nowadays. By popular request, for a while we used to have the survival games plugin. It was removed because of version updates that caused crashing, possible lag, and the fact that after the initial hype, people got bored of it and stopped using it. A similar situation later happened with the mob arena plugin. Nevertheless, sticking to "tradition" shouldn't be an excuse for the server's natural evolution into a place more people enjoy playing on.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/11/01 12:44:51 Luigi if I could have done the changes that I want to do, I would have. You know I don't have access to the server files or plugins, you know I can't make any large changes like that. So I don't know why you're telling me I should have made the changes here. You're fully aware that only you can do that. Whenever I have asked, or the community have asked for changes, they've been shot down with denial. This is literally the only option. If people don't get what they want from a server, they'll leave. Why not create a secondary server which has linked chat to this server, and can be teleported between using a plugin. Only difference is the second server will provide to a wider range of players.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/11/01 13:02:43 Stating that this server won't change because of "tradition" is not my excuse. It's yours. I've tried ever since I got Trial-Mod to improve the server, that's why I applied for mod. I wanted to fix this place, and oh boy this server has gotten worse since when I joined - but it just made me want to help more tbh. It's gotten to the point that I can't really do much more than what I've already done. I've fixed the staff board, I've returned commands which had no reason to be taken away... and I've made it clear to future donators and current donators what they'll actually get if they donate. There's a lot to fix, and only you can do that because you won't give me access to do it myself. A linked, secondary server, was my last option to stop players leaving. Effectively the same server with the same community. Just an option to play with updated plugins. Imagine if you were a player here, you absolutely LOVE the community and find the players great - but the plugins are outdated and features you'd really like won't be implemented... I know I'd like to have the option to change worlds to somewhere with different plugins and features... same community.
Pepperpot9	Date sent: 2016/11/01 17:39:03 Just give back a few commands and take away a few commands from the list of commands you get after your donation, so people can't complain they are not getting what they pay for.
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/01 18:34:18 You should discuss that between you, Chip and Luigi, instead of here. It gives such a bad view of the server when a high position staff comes to the forum about making a huge change when the owner is not even ok with it... I've to kinda agree with you Chip about suggestions not being implemented, most of them are shit, but a few are actually good and some effortless to implement (- Donation page update). Luigi: "Dividing the community between two servers will only result in less activity and less interactions between everyone, which won't deliver the same experience a single united server would." Couldn't say it better, I had this in mind, and it's exactly what's going to happen if you create a second server. Not sure if this is what happened here, but ever since Bukkit went down it has been a fucking mess. Spigot is good though, you just need to adapt to it. I like the server how it is, some plugins are actually better outdated (Ex: factions). What this server needs in my opinion is: - Something unique. - Better support from the owner, though he's just one man and he shouldn't take all this responsabilities for himself, maybe trust the staff more and share tasks with them (other than 'social interaction', hire a coder someone to back you up on the plugins, create plugins, modify...). - Better communication and respect within the staff - Though this has gotten better, some staff used to bad-mouth other staff members in front of the community itself. Other than, it's not healthy and it doesn't support a good relationship between the team, it gives a bad view of the server. - A better and cleaner spawn. - Economy fixed once and for all. - OP commands removed (Ex: /spawner). - A better host / plan (I know about the 4 month plan) -> More RAM & Space. - Frequent backups (I know about the bandwidth problem).
Guiness4	Date sent: 2016/11/01 19:36:35 We can all go on boggers paetron server because he has 8mill botted suns for minecraft boi
thomasjones	Date sent: 2016/11/01 20:20:23 Chip I support that you want to run your own server but I'm going to have to -1 this suggestion, Sorry mate. As soon as I saw this my initial reaction was "No bad idea", and my main reason is that if you did make your server a 'Sister' server that adds everything everyone wanted it would divide the community . RF tried to do the same (as what chip is doing with his server ) but didn't want any connections to the server. I've heard of many people say that it would of taken off but it didn't have the community that mush has therefore it flopped. However chips server as a sister server would Divide the community as the community is already here unlike RF. If people are correct about RF then this will defently split the community and mean there is fewer players on both servers.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/01 20:41:23 Great, so people don't want Chip's server because it will be better than webb so obviously people will go on the best server, Chip's.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/01 20:51:15 guys. you do know chip is still gonna do this, because he doesn't give a shit about what people say.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2016/11/01 22:19:20 I'm right behind chip making his own server. I'm against chip making it a sister server'' note: I edited my post above this because it didn't really get my view across and realise it was very easy to miss understand it.
ckvoss	Date sent: 2016/11/02 02:44:51 I have put in more thought, and I think luigi and Tom are right. It will split the community and make far less people on this server and more on the 'sister' server but we need some more suggestions taken into deep thought and implemented some. Some are as easy as making a command block random tp somewhere like chip did and things like that.
Xario1	Date sent: 2016/11/02 04:52:57 +1 I 100% agree with this suggestion, as it may even better than the server idea that I had. Not to mention, I plan to make my own server one day eventually anyway, unless of course Mush actually improves, or someone creates a better server than I have in mind. Of course if I do get the chance to make a server, I won't be advertising it, since that is against the rules. Also, I hate to say it, but any user branching off of Mushroom and making their own server, with the probability that they will take some of the players from Mushroom with them to their new server seems to me like an inevitability if Mushroom doesn't eventually start adapting to what it's players want.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/11/02 08:09:36 @Dreemurr "guys. you do know chip is still gonna do this, because he doesn't give a shit about what people say." i do care and all this means is i just wont connect the server to this one. But yeah i'm going to continue with my server because i enjoy providing entertainment and fun. you cant stop me from doing my own stuff mate if i didn't care about what the community thought, i wouldn't have asked them would i? -,-
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/02 09:02:40 i don't give 1 fuck, 2 fucks, red fucks, or blue fucks about you making a server, but stop trying to get more people to play on it by taking them from this server. go advertise it yourself like any other server, without being player hungry.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/11/02 09:08:14 I wasn't advertising. I haven't even said the IP address. This was not meant to be a seperate server, but two servers directly connected together using plugins. You've clearly misunderstood this simple concept. Same server; different worlds with different plugins. :')
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/11/02 09:15:20 If I wanted to "take" players, I would have by now and I would have publicly said the IP address. Besides, I know this server enough to know that anyone that tries to take our players WILL fail. This community has grown to this server because it is so unique in how it is presented and run. No matter how amazing you may think your server is, it will never win over 'The Mushroom Co.' community. Despite what you may think, Dreemurr, but I do love this server. In fact, this server would LITERALLY not be here at all right now if it wasn't for me taking over for luigi; convincing him to not close the server after we lost our data. Be thankful for what i do/have done for this place.
Vulturboy	Date sent: 2016/11/02 13:02:26 Here's my two cents I think it's a good idea as a sister server, as long as the gamemodes don't interfere with each other. For example, the other server shouldn't have a survival like the one on our current world, but could have things like minigames and things like actual factions that wouldn't be on Mush. Players could go back and forth that way, and could enjoy more than just what one server can offer.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/02 22:09:07 'be thankful for what i do/have done for this place' first of all, bitch, please. i have multiple people who have problems with you for the same reason, and it's not like we just hate you for no reason. i'm not like harvoo who hates people for no reason. you legit have to piss me off for me to dislike you, and YOU sir, have done just that. you're rude, ignorant, and stubborn, and you get away with it because these people actually like you for some reason.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/02 22:37:38 Asriel mate, I'm with chip here, let him be, and dude, if people liked you for some reason, they will like chip.
Vulturboy	Date sent: 2016/11/02 23:54:57 "first of all, bitch, please. i have multiple people who have problems with you for the same reason, and it's not like we just hate you for no reason. i'm not like harvoo who hates people for no reason. you legit have to piss me off for me to dislike you, and YOU sir, have done just that. you're rude, ignorant, and stubborn, and you get away with it because these people actually like you for some reason." From the guy who's banned and is staying banned, but refuses to leave the forums
Michael9999995	Date sent: 2016/11/03 03:02:45 Asriel... do you see why no body likes you?
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/03 05:51:41 just because like 3 people don't like me doesn't mean nobody likes me ;3
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/03 11:00:36 Vultur he has been banned from the server, not the forums. He has the right to express his opinion like everyone else. I've seen people getting denied on their first ban appeal but after some time they posted another appeal and got unbanned. So no, these people shouldn't be forced to leave the forums when they were at first denied. Side note to everyone- consider reading my previous comment.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/03 14:05:25 ^ please sir, stop licking ass.
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/03 16:42:09 Wow Matt... and to be honest I don't even like Asriel, but he shouldn't be treated like shit just because people don't like him. I try to be as transparent I can be, but meh... Thanks though, Matt, I know better what kind of person you are. I really didn't expect that coming from you in special.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/03 21:48:07 I tried being "friends" with asriel after that major argument we had. I tried. But with that guy, you just can't, the nicer you to him the worse he'll treat you. For example, Asriel liked Irk when Irk insulted me, but as soon as Irk understood me and stopped insulting me, Asriel immediately hated him and said he's annoying and rude too. No one likes Asriel as he is a huge hypocrite, he wants to be treated nicely but all he does is offend people that are nice to him. Is that who you want to defend Ruben? Someone that insults you if you're nice to him but still expects to be treated well after?
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/03 22:05:32 being a dick to me is one thing. being a dick to others for defending me is a whole new story. fucking. stop.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/03 22:07:09 oh, and btw, i never said i liked irk. yes, i agreed about what irk said about you, but that doesn't change how i see someone. insulting you or not, he just kinda has that level of assitude to him.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2016/11/03 23:21:57 Can we get back on topic please everyone? :')
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/04 05:38:22 As I said Chip, if Asriel joins a topic on the forums, you can say it's fucked.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/04 06:10:11 can you stop tho? i mean, you always have some way to put me down, and it just gets irritating. it's like that feeling when a fly lands in your ear, and you don't know if you got it out or not.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/04 13:56:43 I quit the server, I'm only on maybe an hour a week, so I got out of that shitstorm of a place. You however, got banned, hated by everyone, but still come here trying to prove you're right. So yeah, if you are gonna be a fly, I will too.
Irk_Cipher	Date sent: 2016/11/04 17:23:04 @DreemurrTheDreamer "Level of assitude." Welcome back to the server. I have a bone to pick with you. And you're gonna have a bad time.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/04 18:40:25 Irk, if you ever have trouble with dreemurr, tell me
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/05 06:02:46 what the hell are you gonna do about it? tell your mom? xD
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/05 06:05:53 No son, make you cry and force you to get people such as Irk at first to help you.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/05 06:26:00 um..... how are you gonna make me cry? XD do you even think before you send?
Harvey	Date sent: 2016/11/06 10:05:37 Dreemur how do windows taste?
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/06 10:50:06 like blood
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/11/07 09:35:08 ^ Do any of you have anything remotely better to do with yourselves than being salty little bitches on a Minecraft forum? Like... y'all so easily offended. Chill out.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/07 14:10:44 Ayy kewo
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/07 21:20:42 were you talking about me being offended? because i honestly don't think it's possible for me to give less of a fuck than i already do.
Guiness4	Date sent: 2016/11/08 22:59:47 You could create your own server. But I would not reccommend it, nor would I reccomend it being in anyway related to the current one or a diversification of the current community. Look at the servers that previous members have tried to run themselves. Sorry to say it but they became inactive and eventually shut down. Feel free to create your own server, but if you were to do it I would urge you to do it with a completely illrelated theme of which this server currently has. The community is wounded. has been for a year or so now. It gets worse before it seemingly gets better. It just seemingly hobbles along. But Who the hell cares.
Lumberjack1541	Date sent: 2016/11/22 09:39:44 +1 If donations are going to get transferred, I'll stop building on Mushroom Co. and just continue building on your one, because Its going to be unarguably better. I'm a shitbag.

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