Complaint towards Luigi

Author	Message
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/07 11:00:52 Hey, just wondering... Luigi, could you please get rid of /warp cathedral because it's right next to my land & you didn't ask me if you could put it there? It is kinda private land, so i would like it to be roll-backed and my Spleef arena as well. I did have a long post explaining all the reasons and etc, but there was a bug or something that happened and when i pressed send it said i wasn't logged in.. i might have a really detailed post later but you got to understand that the cathedral is in my area of range, and Luigi messed up my Spleef arena when he tried to move it... please don't move ANYTHING Luigi, just rollback the Spleef area and the Cathedral, you can have the Cathedral wherever you want, just not there... please, i know it's your server, but you have made some mistakes in the past, this is one of them. So please fix it, as i said you can definitely have the cathedral anywhere else as long as it isn't near someones private land. I hope you understand, I wish i could explain more but for some reason the entire post that was going to be posted on the forums got deleted by accident.. which sucks because i spent a lot of time on that massive amount of text. I am probably going to make another post to make up for the one that got lost if you don't fix it though, but Luigi please understand that i don't want that right next to my private land, and i don't want you to move anything that is my private property here on the Mushroom Co. Server. I REALLY hope you understand Luigi, & i hope everyone has a great day/night! cya! ~ Harveyc1 (Ra1nbowQueen atm)
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/07 12:06:14 The land wasn't claimed so was free for anyone to use. It was the best spot I could find close to spawn to put the cathedral in. Just because you build somewhere doesn't mean no one else can build remotely close to your claim, especially if it's near spawn. That's ridiculous. You need to stop being selfish by trying to prevent building in land you're not even using. If you want to live in seclusion, don't build in or near a town. Furthermore, the spleef arena isn't your private property, it was made for public use by the entire server. I moved it so that it aligns with the chunk borders and can function properly without being griefed. I could have just transferred in the old one to a suitable location but I value the time and effort put in by the people who made the new one and wanted to see it remain the official spleef arena.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/07 21:26:44 "The land wasn't claimed so was free for anyone to use." that is NOT what i was told when we claimed around alpaca's house in the old world. he claimed next to mine and nic's base without any warning, so we claimed around his base so he couldn't expand in to our building area, and we were jailed for griefing his land. so, are people allowed to claim near other people's land, or will i be jailed for it again?
Puff30826	Date sent: 2016/11/08 01:23:18 I gotta agree with Asriel on that. But if it was land near spawn it would probably be an exception since there is limited space there.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/08 01:26:37 ^ true
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/08 04:46:05 "Furthermore, the spleef arena isn't your private property, it was made for public use by the entire server. " You realized i didn't have an attention for it to be used publicly? Maybe some land around the Spleef arena isn't private property, but the entire Spleef arena IS SUPPOSED TO BE. Sorry for the caps, but i used caps so you would pay attention. The land isn't supposed to be safezoned since i haven't even dang finished it yet, even with the time i have had. I had 0% intention for it to be entirely used for the server, it was mainly just a private use or if someone wants to host a party. Also it wasn't near a town... it was quite a bit far away from the spawn village. I'm not trying to be selfish, but if you wanted to place it around there you could of just asked me and i would of told where around the place is suitable. Also why does the cathedral have to be close to spawn? There shouldn't really be a specific place to put it, also where you put the cathedral is where you are disturbing other peoples land when they are just trying to have some land of their own... in-fact a faction called EDEN over-claimed some of my land at spawn, & do you think they even asked me if they could have it? No, because they couldn't be bothered to use common sense. But you are the owner, and most people would expect you to use common sense since you are in control of what happens around here and to make their experience a enjoyable one hopefully at the least. Also you know what can be considered selfish? Moving someones land, without even asking them or giving them a 4 days notice or such.
Buddy702	Date sent: 2016/11/08 05:26:47 Well ok. Heres what i think of the Cathedral. I think it is a awesome build by Armz. But i am not meaning to arguing with you here.But i think that you have placed it in the wrong place luigi. I think it should go on anther area. A plains biome and so it is away from other players builds and can be uses as a main build whch could be apart of a town. That can be an attraction where players can meet and a project for players to work on. Also i think the current location of the Cathedral is not suited.Which is very random as it looks like it has just been plonked there. It deserves a better place. One finaly thing is limiting the other players factions bases so they cannot extend there base in the future. OK this is all i have to say about the Cathedral at the moment.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 08:17:20 That's exactly why I put it there in the spawn town, so it could be an attraction where players can meet and build around it. There's still plenty of land around it so it isn't inhibiting factions expanding at all. Harvey, you weren't the only one who built that spleef arena, and since it was claimed by safezone and the spleef warp was set there, it was a public building. Clearly one of the other builders must have asked or set the spleef warp there and asked a staff member to claim it as safezone, so if you didn't want that to happen, you should have let them known or claimed it yourself first. I'm not going to ask for your permission to build in or transfer land you don't own or are not using. Preventing other people from using land you're not even using is selfish, because you're only thinking about yourself in the remote future possibly building something there and not anyone else who might want to use that land immediately. Now you're also trying to prevent people from using the spleef arena? How is that not selfish? Eden has every right to overclaim your land if you're not using it. The Cathedral is close to spawn, and like I said, if you're going to be building near spawn, it is a town, so you have to accept the fact other people will be building near you.
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/11/08 08:26:29 Luigi, no hate but why not negotiate with Harvey rather than tell him it's selfish of him? If he had intentions that were overlooked, you really can't blame him for being mad. At least negotiate with the guy before setting it in stone.
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:03:39 If the spleef was public domain, then I have nothing to say about it. But apparently Harvey was the owner of the building and didn't even authorized it to be safezoned in the first place so the selfish one would be Luigi for editing it without asking. In addition your land editing was terrible Luigi, the copy paste and moving buildings just messed up the terrain and you didn't even bother to fix it. The cathedral itself is awesome but with the current land around, it makes it look really ugly... A good build isn't just about the build itself but how it merges with the environment.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:05:18 it was kinda a dick move to build so close to his claim. i mean, you could have worldedited his chunks to a location somewhere else with his permission, or you could have built the cathedral on the other side of the spawn, or you could have pulled a me and set their building on fire for renovations.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:18:14 The only other place I found to put the cathedral close to spawn was directly behind it, which would have been on top of a forest, removing the opportunity new players could have for obtaining wood from there. Also it would have been much harder to make pathways there. Originally I wanted to put the cathedral in the plains biome outside spawn but people have already built in most of the land there and there wasn't a big enough area to fit it in. Ruben I actually fixed most of the terrain around the cathedral, originally at the back it cut into huge mountains which looked very bad so I removed them and made the terrain level.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:21:59 Also Dreemurr like I said, it was his choice to build near spawn so he chose to accept the consequence that there would eventually be people building near him. With regards to what you said earlier, if you claimed around alpaca's base solely for the purpose of preventing him from expanding it, that's abuse of claiming permissions. Claiming is meant to be used to protect structures you have built, not to inhibit other people building in otherwise untouched land.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:28:19 Kerochii, if he had intentions then he should have actioned them or at least made his intentions clear with a structure or signs of what he was planning to build in that area. I'm sure we all have intentions of things we would like to build, but many of those ideas may never see fruition. If people were allowed to claim land based on something they might possibly build in the remote future, people who actually want to build something now will have nowhere to put it. However, he hadn't even claimed the land, so he clearly didn't have any intention of using it as it was free for anyone to use.
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:42:55 How was i selfish? I am going to let people use the Spleef arena, but i wanted to keep it private because of the risk of people griefing it. I know it's claimed now, but not by my faction, by SAFEZONE. I am probably going to get a staff to claim over it for my faction, but still. Don't forget, you moved my BUILD. Why? I don't care if the chunks don't match up, i know you are a owner but if you want to be a professional owner you don't go around moving peoples builds without permission. So i would like you to rollback my Spleef arena please so it gets fixed, because i am not cleaning up this mess when i wasn't the one who made the mess, you did, Luigi! If you cant be reasonable and let me have my spleef arena where it is supposed to be, then you can just go ahead and move your cathedral somewhere else, i mean come on, you could have a whole town around that thing if you just moved it somewhere else! Please fix my spleef arena, i don't care about the chunks being perfect, if you don't fix it yourself you are just being disrespectful to someones property that was there before yours, and even if the Cathedral being there was somewhat understandable, this ISN'T. It was clearly my property, so don't mess with it.. please! So it looks like you were the one being selfish after all. You didn't even CONSIDER asking the person who owned the spleef arena if you could move it, or even the helpers for that matter. Luigi you are a nice owner and i try my hardest to respect your decisions, but if you are told you are being selfish and disrespectful from your players then you are definitely doing something wrong. If you want people to respect you... you have to earn their respect. And don't try to cover & say it was an accident, because you clearly did it on purpose so you could align the chunks perfectly, but you didn't even ask the person who owned the building if you could move it, so therefor you should return the building back to where it EXACTLY was before. I like you Luigi, but i don't want to think of you as a person that is SELFISH.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:45:26 calm your man tits >3>
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:45:57 Harvey, I'm not the one being selfish by trying to make the spleef arena able to be actively used by other players without being griefed. If the chunks in the spleef arena don't align it can be griefed, or if it is completely claimed, it cannot be used. So you are the one being selfish for telling me to roll it back so no one can use it anymore, either because it must be claimed or gets griefed. Stop acting like you own it. You weren't the only one who built it, there wasn't even any indication that it was your property since it was claimed by safezone. You don't have the right to claim it's 100% yours and you can do whatever you want with it. If the other builders wanted it to be used by the entire server, then that's why it's been claimed by safezone and made into the public spleef warp.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:49:19
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:50:51 Luigi, you didn't have his permission. That's pretty much the end of it. If I were to do the same thing, I would have my dead ass skinned and put on display. I'd be banned after causing an outrage and pissing off a community member. I get you're the owner but there is no harm in skimming over a bunch of flipping trees.......
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:52:11 Also, is anyone else complaining about -their- build other than Harvey? No? I think if Harvey owns majority of rights to the build, you negotiate with him first. Dick move, buddy.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:54:17 No Kerochii, if the other builders told a staff member to make the build safezone and set the warp there, clearly they owned a majority of rights to the build, otherwise that wouldn't have occurred in the first place. The other builders aren't complaining because they actually want their building to be used by the community rather than selfish harvey who just wants it all to himself and for no one else to use it.
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/08 09:59:13 Have you thought that maybe, just maaaaybe they didn't had any permissions Luigi? Anyway... the cathedral should be placed somewhere better, with a better landscape... Like buddy said, maybe, build a village around it. I mean fucking hell you don't need to place it near the spawn, we have warps! If it's staying there though... I guess I'll do my best on fixing what there is left to fix on the land near it. It's a shame for the cathedral to be placed where it is.
Kerochii64	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:00:02 "Furthermore, the spleef arena isn't your private property, it was made for public use by the entire server. " You realized i didn't have an attention for it to be used publicly? Maybe some land around the Spleef arena isn't private property, but the entire Spleef arena IS SUPPOSED TO BE. Sorry for the caps, but i used caps so you would pay attention. The land isn't supposed to be safezoned since i haven't even dang finished it yet, even with the time i have had. I had 0% intention for it to be entirely used for the server, it was mainly just a private use or if someone wants to host a party. Also it wasn't near a town... it was quite a bit far away from the spawn village. I'm not trying to be selfish, but if you wanted to place it around there you could of just asked me and i would of told where around the place is suitable. *shrugs* Please just take the time to negotiate with the guy and find a positive solution rather than block Harvey out and tell him to suck it up. Jesus.
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:00:06 So in deepest honesty, tell me you weren't being selfish? You moved my spleef arena, without even asking me if you could do so? I admit maybe i was being a little selfish, but not on PURPOSE, because it wasn't my original intentions to begin with. My intentions were to make it for my Halloween Party Event 2016, but we didn't finish everything in time and lately we are thinking of making a new event but maybe we could use the builds. It was men't the server, but not in the way that it is now. But overall you should understand that you messed around with a players property, when you didn't even ask them in the first place. Like come on, if i was you, i would use common sense and ask the person first or the entire group that worked on the project before resulting to moving it. The Spleef arena was completely fine before, but now you messed it up by moving it & i am not fixing it. I honestly don't CARE how you fix it, as long as you actually fix it yourself & you don't move the arena out of the area. So please fix the spleef arena, since no-one is going to clean up after you. It's rather you fix the arena or the cathedral. Up to you.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:01:31 No one would build a village around the cathedral if it was just placed in the middle of nowhere. By having it in an already active town, it will encourage more gatherings and building by people who can easily walk there on foot from spawn.
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:03:01 No luigi, no one gives a fuck about the spawn. I rarely go there because it's a chat rape, literally. Not to mention the beacons giving effects and the massive buildings that make you lag. EDIT Also I would build a village around it and make sure people visited it. It's not just because it's placed far away from the spawn that people won't visit it.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:03:06
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:05:25 The spleef arena works fine, better than before, I don't get how it needs fixing Harvey. Again I will repeat myself: It wasn't your property, it wasn't claimed by you, it was claimed by safezone, there was no indication you owned it, you do not own it.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:06:37 There shouldn't be beacons at spawn Ruben. Also, I was referring to new players who have just joined the server and spawn there who might be looking for a place to build. They could easily miss warp signs to a place they might think they aren't allowed to build near.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:06:50
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:07:10 Luigi, if you could, could you please focuse on what i specifically mentioned before you said that? I understand what you mean, but even if i reply about what you just mentioned, i'm going to bring up the topic you didn't talk about later.
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:10:52 Oh wow Luigi, that's weird... http://imgur.com/CK0x7yN About the new players, they won't cross all the spawn area to build, it's already so big that it gets annoying, that's why most of players ask if we have RTP.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:10:59 Harvey, the spleef arena wasn't 'completely fine' before, you said yourself that it could be griefed, and that was due to it being incorrectly placed and not aligning with the chunk borders, so I fixed it, and now it can be actively used without being griefed.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:17:32 Ruben, some new players might be looking for a place to build in the town where they can open up a shop or have close interactions with neighbours, and although it's true that the bigger the town gets the harder it is to encourage people to build in it, I thought the cathedral might be one of those things that creates another 'city centre' and allows further expansion of the spawn town by players travelling from spawn building near it.
Ruben	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:23:22 Then let only good builders build around it. The spawn lacks structure and it's so ugly with the bad buildings and pieces of land missing... I mean look at this shit! http://imgur.com/BnTHZQx http://imgur.com/WUjAO8m http://imgur.com/ev9SKdA http://imgur.com/3LAgVzs I can't even see the cathedral on the spawn, it's not that close to be honest. EDIT No new players will start on the spawn as most of the mines are took and everything is claimed. The chats gets so spammed with the faction messages that is impossible to walk/fly there. Also most of the shops that are still on duty are not even on the spawn and those that are, are mostly accessed throught warps!
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:35:29 Luigi, i don't mind about any possible negatives to this, but could you please just rollback the spleef arena? We got rid of the warp, so i don't have to worry about the warp issue now. But could you please just for once in your own days just fix it for me please?! For once?! I just want the Spleef arena i made with other people completely rollbacked to what it was before you messed with it, if you could please do that for me that would be great. If you REALLY want me to stop bothering about the Cathedral and the Spleef arena, just rollback the Spleef arena COMPLETELY to what it was before, i would stop complaining towards you! It's that simple! Unless you want me to continue... that is.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:46:43 I think the real beauty of the spawn town is how many different factions, people and building styles all congregate together to create a unique and diverse experience, both with shops and houses. As you've shown with those screenshots, there is still plenty of free land available to be used by new players. The majority of new players may not want to search through the numerous warps in order to find a shop. Most will just use /warp shop or look around the spawn town for player shops. That reminds me, I still need to transfer in the old shop building. I was thinking of putting it somewhere in the plains north east of spawn since there isn't a desert nearby.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:47:55 Harvey I am NOT rolling back the spleef arena because that would make it unusable or vulnerable to grief. I am going to set the warp there again since you have no right to prevent people from using it for your own selfish reasons.
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:48:57 As i said I don't mind, plus you weren't the one who made the building. Also as i said before aren't you the one who caused me to make this complaint in the first place because of what you did?
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:50:03 I didn't make it, but I'm sure those who did (appart from you) would want it to be used. Otherwise why would they have put the effort into making it?
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:52:31 It is going to be used, & i was one of the people who made it.. including other people who helped me. All am i asking you to do is please get off your back and instead of replying actually rollback it so i won't have anything to argue about.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:55:55 Yes, I caused you to make this complaint because you were upset the land around you was actually being put to good use and people would actually be able to use the spleef arena effectively, since you wanted the land ALL to yourself and no one to use the spleef arena, or the spleef arena to be griefed, even though you weren't using the land and the spleef arena isn't yours. Nor was the land yours.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 10:57:05 Why do you want it to be rolled back? Why don't you answer that? I've already given you my reason why I will not be rolling it back, and why I changed it in the first place. If I roll it back, it can be griefed, and therefore may become disabled if it is, meaning it won't be able to be used. If it's claimed to prevent grief, no one can break the snow blocks, so it can't be used as a spleef arena. When it is aligned as it is now, the snow section lies on the edge of the safezone, so only blocks in the 32x32 (4 chunks) snow section are wilderness and can be broken, and therefore it can't be griefed since the actual structure is in safezone.
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/08 11:15:31 I get what you're saying here Luigi, but I'm irritated that you messed around with it without asking.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/08 12:02:52 Asking who? It was claimed by safezone, it was a public building with a public warp. Sure if you actually owned the spleef arena then I wouldn't have touched it and either asked you about it first or imported in the old one. But the fact is, you didn't own it. The first thing I did was check to see who owned it, and since it was safezone, I went ahead with moving it so it could align and function properly.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/08 14:01:30 Lol guys, it's useless arguing with luigi, he's the owner and you guys are just useless pawns to him, all he wants is your poor souls to fill his server and your money, boo hoo. If something is fucked up for everyone, but fine to luigi, then it's fine for the server. # Webbdictatorship
Platty2000 =3	Date sent: 2016/11/09 04:53:20 luigi you could probably check the block data and see who placed it then you will know who "used to own it" since somebody safezoned it
Platty2000 =3	Date sent: 2016/11/09 04:55:10 although the cathedral looks great so you guys could work together and make like a Event town
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/09 08:44:20 an* USE 6. Use AN before words such as "hour" which sound like they start with a vowel even if the first letter is a consonant. Also use AN before letters and numbers which sound like they begin with a vowel, such as "F" or "8". Remember, it is the sound not the spelling which is important. sorry, had to correct you ;-;
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/09 11:13:56 Block data was deleted last week so I can't see who placed it or roll it back.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/09 11:17:42 convenient
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/09 11:20:57 quick question: why and how did the block data reset? was it a manual reset, an error, or did minecraft just shit itself?
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/09 11:35:12 I cleared it because it was taking up too much disk space.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/09 12:13:37 kden.
Platty2000 =3	Date sent: 2016/11/09 13:14:29 One oth thing is why would the spleef arena Have a board of who created it that says the names of who made it Since Normal players cannot build in a safezone
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/09 13:56:44 Luigi is just shitting on you guys.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/09 14:30:01 Matodir if you don't have anything constructive to contribute to the discussion then please refrain from commenting.
Harvey	Date sent: 2016/11/09 14:32:16 Luigi you dont have anything constructive to contribute to the server so give chip full ownership
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/09 14:38:05 Harvey I've been transferring builds in such as the cathedral and luigi's mansion, I'm planning to do the shop next and am also working on a new shop system with prices varying based on supply and demand. So I think I still do have things to contribute to the server, especially with my knowledge and experience of running it these past few years, which has helped me in diagnosing problems and fixing crashes.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2016/11/09 14:44:34 Platty I realise the spleef arena has a board of who created it and I know Ra1nbowqueen (Harveyc1) is on that board but I assumed the builders must have told a staff member to claim it as safezone since they wanted it to be used as the public spleef warp. I doubt a staff member would just claim over it and set the warp there without permission from the builders. Just because harvey now no longer wants it used publicly, he can't just reclaim it as his, especially since he wasn't the only person who built it, and to me it seemed very selfish of him trying to prevent people from using it after it had already been available for public use for weeks now.
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/09 16:35:47 Luigi, more than half of the comments here are just mindless argument about who did that and who didn't. Now I don't know about the spleef arena, so this is just my opinion, if the arena was originally harveyc1's, then he can claim it how he wants.
armzngunz	Date sent: 2016/11/11 16:12:59 I support Luigi regarding this. To me it feels like Harvey wants the arena rolled back simply out of spite. And the cathedral is not taking up any unreasonable amount of land, Harvey said it could be used by other players to build, yet it's been argued that no one will build at spawn, so two arguments contradicting eachother.
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/11 17:42:27 yeah... luigi's just being stubborn...
Harveyc1	Date sent: 2016/11/16 09:15:59 @Matodir i agree.
HotPikachuSex	Date sent: 2016/11/18 22:26:41 Luigi, you claim to care about your players? You want them to enjoy the server? Yet, you move their shit without asking, that's not OK. If your mates helped you work on YOUR build, and then THEY got it claimed by safezone, then someone moved it. What would you do? If Harvey is telling 100% of the story, then you're in the wrong. If not, I'm sorry, it was an accident :3
Matodir	Date sent: 2016/11/19 11:51:20 ^
DreemurrTheDreamer	Date sent: 2016/11/19 12:12:07 ^^

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