I am actually mad

Author	Message
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/25 16:11:44 So today Gentle_Loud sent me a tpa request, and I accepted it. It brought me to SirPrivate's base, where there were 4 mob spawners I think. I stayed there for a little while, and after SirPrivate asked me to leave for the second time I left for good. So SirPrivate goes and tells an Architect (Acid_Jay) to tp to Gentle_Loud and he doesn't leave my base AFTER TELLING HIM LIKE 10 TIMES. Sirprivate is just sitting there, edging Acid_Jay on to stay there just to annoy me. This is unacceptable. /tp should be removed from architects. JUST FRICKING DO IT. PLEASE. [07:59:27] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *[RedstoneD00D] Gentle_loud: guys [07:59:29] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Solitude <[Citizen] ~Private> did u claim acid [07:59:31] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] ckvoss joined the game [07:59:33] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *[RedstoneD00D] Gentle_loud: we r out of power [07:59:33] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] sidakahuja2010 fell from a high place [07:59:34] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Proxima <[Member] lennskie> hey :) [07:59:35] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] **Motionless <[Citizen] TheMageOfDeath> Wtf is wrong with you people. What is the problem of somebody watching what you are doing ? -_- [07:59:36] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Public chat mode. [07:59:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Citizen] ~Private] what did i do to you? i left [07:59:59] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *RedEvo <[Member] ~Loud> I dont mind, but if galbby asks him to leave he should [08:00:03] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Citizen] ~Private -> me] and your friend in your faction didnt though so ... [07:57:07] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] **RedEvo <[Donator]+ ~Galbby55> get out of my base [07:57:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *RedEvo <[Member] ~Loud> ye [07:57:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *Hyperion <[Architect] ~Acid_Jay> you didnt just do that [07:57:12] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *RedEvo <[Member] ~Loud> gtfo [07:57:15] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] **RedEvo <[Donator]+ ~Galbby55> i did just do that [07:57:17] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Solitude <[Citizen] ~Private> no stay [07:57:22] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Solitude <[Citizen] ~Private> he didnt get out of my base [07:57:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] PurplePhoenix22 left the game [07:57:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Player [Donator]+ ~Galbby55 kicked PurplePhoenix22 for get out. [07:57:27] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] **RedEvo <[Donator]+ ~Galbby55> actually i did private [07:57:29] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] PurplePhoenix22 joined the game [07:55:53] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] **RedEvo <[Donator]+ ~Galbby55> PurplePhoenix22 you're tp abusing [07:55:59] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] **RedEvo <[Donator]+ ~Galbby55> get out [07:56:03] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *Nexo <[VIP]+ ~Pearls_For_Swine> whats tp abusing [07:56:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] **RedEvo <[Donator]+ ~Galbby55> PurplePhoenix22 is [07:56:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Solitude <[Citizen] ~Private> so were u galbby5su tped when i didnt want u to [07:56:14] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *Nexo <[VIP]+ ~Pearls_For_Swine> what is it tho? [07:56:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *Nexo <[VIP]+ ~Pearls_For_Swine> oh teleport
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/25 16:28:55 my problem is partly with architects having /tp, but also with this bullshit coming from SirPrivate
Matodir	Date sent: 2017/02/25 16:35:46 And so, removal of Architect commands, begins...
ACeTheGreat98	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:10:20 In my opinion, the ability to teleport others needs to be removed. I don't even know why it was there to begin with.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:18:26 You can stop people from tping to you with /tptoggle also I feel that SirPrivate should have his /tp removed as he refused to leave.
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:20:29 That's only for tpa or else staff wouldn't be able to do it
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:21:57 I totally agree. People said that the tp command given to architects would be abused, and it already has been abused multiple times. This is completely unacceptable.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:23:59 /tptoggle stops both /tp and /tpa as far as I know.
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:26:12 Well that's irrelevant tom, the fact is that most people don't disable tpa because they want to be able to receive tpa requests. Architects, however, can tp to people without their consent, something which has caused a multitude of problems lately
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:27:00 What if there are people who want to accept tpa's, but if they turn tptoggle off they can't?
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:27:51 There is one very simple solution to this all: remove /tp from architects
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/25 17:28:12 You're trying to justify something that OBVIOUSLY has been abused.
NicNac	Date sent: 2017/02/25 18:36:15 I honestly can't think of a situation where /tp would need to be used rather than /TPA. IMO Iit should only be given to staff, who won't abuse.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/25 21:04:08 One person's actions should not mean that other people should suffer also. Removing /tp from all Architects will only cause more complaints - much like the complaints about all Donators having GMC removed. You cannot just complain about losing commands from your rank, but then demand that a different rank undergoes the pain that you did. Your demands are only selfish. It seems like there is more to this story and you have left out a large part of it, where you possibly annoyed some players to the point that they felt they needed to get back at you. To me, it looks like you have emphasised their wrong-doing to gain on them and have them punished. Now i am not justifying their TP abuse, though i am defending the innocent Architects that follow the rules and comply with the community. Unfortunately we do, sometimes, get people that just don't care. And those people will suffer the consequences. I've removed his teleport permissions.
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/25 21:09:53 Chip, first of all, I got Donator+ after GMC was removed from the rank, so you really can't call me selfish. Second of all, it's not just him, it's a whole group of people, and /tp, whether or not abused by the people who have them, should not be given to people who are meant to build. Architects are supposed to build, and /tp has nothing to do with building
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/25 22:34:35 Well then your actions are still selfish by demanding all Architects to lose permissions, whilst you only create a complaint on the one player. Like i said before; Removing every Architect's permission to /tp, based off of one complaint against a single player is ridiculous. I will happily remove permissions from any Architect if found to abuse. But until then, it would only be abuse on my part to generalise all Architects - and remove their /tp. galbby5 Wrote: "...should not be given to people who are meant to build. Architects are supposed to build, and /tp has nothing to do with building" The Original purpose of the [Builder] rank was for players to build for the server. But, Donating for just GMC for 18$ would be way too steep for the average person, so other perks came along with it - as an incentive to purchase that specific rank. The exact same principle can be applied to [Architect]. It's purpose is, as you said, for people to build on the server. There are permissions other than GMC which come with [Architect], simply as an incentive to purchase that rank. such as /TP. Before the map reset, all Donators, other than those that abused, had access to /tp. there was some complaints about abuse, and they were dealt with accordingly. Not once (to my knowledge) was "remove tp from all donators" brought up - because very few abused. It only seems like more architects abuse because there are much less of them in comparison to Donators. In reality, there isn't much abuse at all. and if there is i will NOT allow innocent players to be punished for it. I also think that "REMOVE TP FROM ALL ARCHITECTS" is being said because of the recent controversy surrounding the rank. Imagine if you were a Donator, and some other Donator abused /broadcast. There is no chance in hell that you would create a complaint, demanding that /broadcast be removed from ALL Donators. Why's that? because it would be unfair on you. You'd lose out, for someone else's actions. THAT is the reason i called you selfish. be considerate of others and put yourself in their shoes. I'm beginning to regret removing his permission, you didn't even thank me for settling his abuse.
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/25 22:41:54 Okay, thanks chip :3 sorry if I ruffled ur Jammies
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/02/25 23:02:15 If you don't punish all of one rank for the abuse of a few, then why the heck did all Donators lose creative? The reason I've heard they lost it was because they abused it. Why didn't you just take /gmc away from the abusers? Seems a little hypocritical if you ask me.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/02/25 23:22:59 Also, what's with the "I'm beginning to regret removing his permission, you didn't even thank me for settling his abuse."? So, by that logic, if you restore someone's grief would you undo the restore if they didn't thank you after? It isn't required to say thank you. Sure it's nice, but that doesn't give you the right to not help someone.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/26 00:14:20 If I restored a grief and instead of the player thanking me, they just argued - then yes, I'd regret going out of my way and making time for them. That's pretty fucking obvious. Respect is a magical thing... *rolls eyes* I do this because I want to help. Not because i need to.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/26 00:24:56 Also Puff: "I will happily remove permissions from any Architect if found to abuse. But until then, it would only be abuse on my part to generalise all Architects - and remove their /tp." Maybe I wasn't very clear with that, but even if I wasn't you should have the mental capacity to figure out why all donators lost GMC. Yes, one reason was because of the abuse. But although there were some that didn't abuse - the abuse became so widespread that it became nearly impossible to control, and therefore it was more practical to remove creative altogether. This is something that has already been explained multiple times by Luigi; I don't understand why I am having to repeat it.
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/02/26 00:40:15 "Yes, one reason was because of the abuse. But although there were some that didn't abuse - the abuse became so widespread that it became nearly impossible to control, and therefore it was more practical to remove creative altogether." Alright, so what happens when the abuse of Architects gets so widespread that you can't control it? Will they lose their /gmc as well? It just repeats itself until you either let them keep it, or remove it all together and not bring it back with a more expensive rank. Also, staffing is like a job and should be treated as one. If you don't do your job you get fired. This "I do this because I want to, not because I need to" thing is messed up. A staff member needs to do his duties, no matter how annoying/ungrateful the person you're helping is.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/26 00:42:06 If you took notice to what Luigi says; you'll see that he is determined to not allow this to happen again. Which is partly why Architect is so expensive. Kms
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/26 00:43:17 Pls just stop trying to argue with me
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/02/26 00:45:10 I'm not argueing. It's a genuine question. Eventually Architect abuse will become a widespread problem. So what is Luigi going to do when that happens?
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/26 00:47:08 Hopefully It won't
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/02/26 00:49:20 But what if it does? You need a plan in case it does happen, which it most likely will eventually.
ACeTheGreat98	Date sent: 2017/02/26 01:02:08 Chip, first off insulting a player's mental capacity is low, and childish. Attacking him as a person to attempt to make his argument less valid is not a good way to argue, and makes you look like a child. Second. His point is still valid, even though the abuse was widespread, people who were using it for good and not abusing their permissions were punished. And that is what you are claiming is bad, as you have stated that removing /tp from architects will punish people who haven't abused the permission. Two other examples were /fly and /setwarp at the creation of the new map. People were gathering dozens of elytras and setting warps tens of thousands of blocks away from the primary end island, and right next to the overworld border. Yet no sweeping removal of /fly or /setwarp happened, and only abusers were punished. However, every single Donator+, abusive or not, had their /gm c removed. According to your moral compass, this is absolutely horrendous as they haven't abused their permission yet had it taken. Third. You claim that the donator issue was, "So widespread we couldn't contain it." and if this is the case, then how are we going to stop it from happening to architects? Because if we can stop it with architects, we can stop it with donators. Fourth. You dodged puff on his, "Staffing should be treated like a job." quote, why is that? While I will agree with you on the "Respect is powerful" and I hate being disrespected, I still help and move along, I don't treat the person I helped like a piece of crap for not showing proper respect. Also the quote, "I do this because I want to help. Not because i need to." would get you fired almost instantly in a majority of businesses. You are here for a job. And I bet somebody would be more than willing to take your place who has the mentality of "I want to help as many people as I can before the sun goes down." not this "I'm here because I want to, not because I need to." And finally, this "Please stop trying to argue with me." seems like an attempt to end something as you can't find answers. All of his QUESTIONS not arguments are valid questions that you are dodging the answers to. Maybe you should run for president of the US with those question dodging skills. (And please don't try and come back with "I can't run for president of the US, I am from the United Kingdom and wasn't born on US soil." Cause it was a metaphor.)
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/26 01:11:46 I'm getting the feeling that Chip is that guy at a fast food place that gets somebodies order wrong but when confronted about it they say "it's not my problem." and refuses to do anything about it.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/26 01:28:55 Yes, people went through pain originally when GMC was removed from donators, but a couple months afterwards, I'm sure many of them would've agreed that without GMC the server was better. What's unbelievable is how you took GMC from donors, slapped it onto another rank, and raised the price by 20 dollars! Right after you said you were going to give GMC back to donators! I see this whole event as a huge mistake, and after Luigi messed up (which humans do and really there's nothing wrong with it) some staff are trying to cover it up and make it look like it was a good thing to do. If you try to state that "Removing it from Architects that already have it is worse than removing it from donator+'s because Architects payed more!" than you must not see how many people donated for donator+, otherwise you would be able to realize how it's actually worse that you took it away from donator+'s. There is a larger total of money donated from donator+'s than there is money donated from Architects at this point, so if you want there to be less repercussions, take it away ASAP. Also, this point on Puff being selfish is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen. If you think he's being selfish, than you must not see yourself. "I do this because I want to help. Not because i need to," and "If I restored a grief and instead of the player thanking me, they just argued - then yes, I'd regret going out of my way and making time for them." is pretty fucking selfish, because if you aren't going to help people because they HURT YOUR FEELINGS is, news flash, unbelievably selfish. So what, that jerk Tom called your house ugly, but now that his house is burning down and he's trapped under rubble, you're not going to help him because he hurt your feelings? No. Humans make mistakes, they really do, but there's no need to get all pissy when you do and try to justify it even though it really isn't justifiable. And when they still bash on it, don't get bitchy and bash them for arguing over something that is generally arguable. If you were smart, you would listen to your players and do something about this stupid rank, that's just causing more problems than fixing problems.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/26 01:33:21 #firstlongpostaddressinganissue
Shindori	Date sent: 2017/02/26 01:51:45 I remember /tree which got taken away from everyone because someone used that in another persons claimed area. To say that it's bad to remove one command for everyone because one out of many people abused it, is just a bullshit excuse then. Bunch of hypocrites you are :/
NicNac	Date sent: 2017/02/26 02:24:58
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/26 05:12:38 I'm just waiting for Chip to respond.
Wolves_rock5651	Date sent: 2017/02/26 05:41:01 It's indubitable that he is going to answer. Now, whether the response is good, we'll have to wait and see. On the other hand, this is quite a good read since I cant really do much this weekend.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/02/26 07:45:08 His tp permissions have been removed. There are hardly any architects to justify removing it from all of them who haven't abused. Shindori, the /tree incident was much more serious than you portrayed. Someone used /tree at spawn to block the spawn exit. That was a major issue because spawn is a very important location.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/26 07:51:26 @Ace 1. I don't recall insulting someone's mental capacity, that's just how I say stuff when I don't care. No hard feelings. 2. Not once did I say his point was invalid. Also no one can turn around to me and say "well what about this permission..." Because I didn't remove it. And the chances are - I didn't t agree with it being taken either! In fact, I don't remember stating that I thought taking GMC was a great idea... Hmm, stop assuming please. 3. Again, not my issue. Take it up with luigi. He probably felt that he could contain the abuse without a widespread ban on the commands... That's pretty obvious .-. 4. Again, that's for Luigi to figure out. He decided to introduce creative again... I don't think you have been in the real world yet ace, because if I went to my manager and said, "I go out and I help those customers because want to, I don't just do it because its my job" would if anything, get me a promotion. After all, I am being put through for a promotion at my work, partly because I have that look on working. In a few weeks I'll be a crew trainer, which is a small step below manager :* I don't find anything else in your post worth responding to. @Aouldrain 1. I've already addressed this above... Plus, I didn't create that rank so pls don't make it out like I'm the one that fucked over the donators. 2. The only thing I see a point in replying to is your claims that I am selfish by regretting helping someone that is ungrateful. Right, so let's just imagine that you're this huge millionaire and you decide one day to give a shit tonne of money to this woman struggling with her kids. But instead of her thanking you and expressing her gratitude, she says just insults you and argues with you... But ohhhh noo! Don't you dare be upset or EVER regret giving this selfish bitch millions of dollars!! That's so selfish of you!!!! Get real lmao. If you help someone and they're just a cunt to you, you're gonna fucking regret helping them. You'd rather help someone that says please and thank you.
Asriel🍆	Date sent: 2017/02/26 08:38:24 i see no reason that architects should have /tp, other than to be nosy about what other players are up to, or to be assholes.
Matodir	Date sent: 2017/02/26 09:38:25 Asriel, I assume you watch youtube, and I believe you know what "clickbait" is. All those commands like /tp and shit were added like how clickbait is done. Example you put a photo of a hot girl as the thumbnail, then all you get is a minecraft video with voiced by someone as sad as my dead great grandfather. You still clicked video and he got views though. Same thing with Architect, luigi gave them a load of commands like gmc and tp, so people get the rank. However commands that can easily be abused, such as this guy got his tp removed. In time, we'll become just like before, gmc and tp will be removed and everyone would've paid 50$ for shits. And Shindori, luigi won't be taking tp from everyone yet, he'll remove it when more people buy it, so money would've been made from it anyway. Much like TV advertising, advertising something and saying it's the best, even when it's not, but due to all that advertisement a lot of people would've already bought it by the time everyone realizes it sucks. Money would've still been made. Now folks, I allow you to kindly come forth and place your petty count arguments as to why I am, as usual, according to you, wrong.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2017/02/26 11:33:24 What if Luigi created Architect because he knew that people would complain on the forums which means there would be more traffic on the forums 🤔🤔🤔
ACIDWOLF28	Date sent: 2017/02/26 13:29:31 Ok so let me get this right, I have had /tp removed from me for a mistake that did cause any harm to anyone. I also apologized for my actions and said it won't happen again. This is the part you failed to put into you little complaint. The reason why I tped to them was because I thought Loud was still harassing Pirvate. Pirvate had asked Loud to leave him alone 20+ time. So you see my actions were not to kill or harm anyone, To the people that I annoyed, I will say it again I am sorry for my mistake and was a just a misunderstanding, I hope that you will see that i am sorry.
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/26 13:44:11 Acid, you were saying quite rude things to me, such as "get rekt", and standing in the wilderness right outside my claims watching me just to aggravate me. Why do you care that you've lost your tp commands anyways? The only reason you would be worried is because you were abusing them before, since there is always tpa... and also, addressing the part about loud, he had helped sirprivate obtain en enchanted book of some kind, and stayed for a little to take a look around his base. After sirprivate tells you to tp to loud you, instead of doing the honorable thing, actually tp to us. You say that you thought loud was still harassing private. WELL CLEARLY WE WERENT SINCE WE WERE AT MY BASE, DUH. Instead of leaving after me telling you to, it took 2 kicks, like 30 warnings, and a mod coming online to get you to scram. And this was all for the Sake of annoying me and loud.
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/26 13:50:27 And loud didn't even do anything bad, he was there simply for the sake of curiosity, and I think was even afk for some time in the private's base. You, meanwhile, were purposely trying to annoy me, and I believe you even claimed around my borders to annoy me, according to what sirprivate said. You weren't there for justice, you were there to annoy us, and I don't care about any apology you've given.
ACIDWOLF28	Date sent: 2017/02/26 13:55:20 Lol your lies have just made my night thanks kid
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/26 15:38:52 Is that a? No... Folks it looks like we have ourselves an endangered species, the Idiot. They're an extremely rare species that can live practically anywhere on Earth, but they're in low numbers since most of them stay virgin's their entire life. They usually spend their times calling other people "kid" and when somebody challenges their statement they resort to petty remarks and all-around idiotic comebacks. If you see one of these, don't panic, they can't do any harm to you because they haven't exercised in three years. When the Idiot feels threatened, it will often laugh and call the challenger a "liar," usually to make themselves feel stronger and to boost their confidence when protecting themselves. Sometimes, surprisingly, they can actually come up with educated statements, but more often than not, they fall short.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2017/02/26 17:11:11 I think staff should start listening to us about this rank. Many of the people who have complained about the rank have either had experiences with similar situations, or have been impacted directly by this rank. Most of the people defending the rank either have the rank, and are completely biased because they have creative and they don't want to have their power taken away, much like a king driven from his throne, upset that his power has been taken away from him. Also, there are staff who bow down to Luigi like he's a holy deity. I think you can see that these people are biased, and can't see the truth. Honestly, you don't even need to remove Architect, just make it an earned rank. You are directly insulting Lars, because this rank being purchasable is basically saying that Lars is as talented as a fucking 6 year old child who found their mom's credit card and said I WANNA BE AN MINECREFT BILDER. So they bought the rank and don't understand the repercussions. Listen to us, a lot of us know what we're talking about, and we know what's going to go wrong.
ACeTheGreat98	Date sent: 2017/02/26 18:38:05 I just typed 10 paragraphs and when I clicked "Send" it told me I wasn't logged in. Brb drinking bleach. Anyway 1. Quote, "Maybe I wasn't very clear with that, but even if I wasn't you should have the mental capacity to figure out why all donators lost GMC." End quote. I may have misinterpreted your words here, but you are clearly implying he has low mental capacity. 2.1. Never said that you said his point was invalid. I said that insulting him as a way to make his argument less valid is not a good way to argue and is called an "Ad hominem" attack. Lets let wikipedia (oh joy) help me out here. Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. 2.2. I was making a comparison. I never said you took any permissions from any ranks or any person. I never said you agreed with the removal of said permissions. I said that it went against your moral compass. 2.3. "And chances are..." That is ridiculous. Either you agree with /gm c being removed from donators, which would make your argument hypocritical. OR you don't agree with it, which would mean we are on the same side of this debate, so we should stop this (albeit fun) argument and actually work on change. MAKE WEBBCRAFT GREAT AGAIN or something like that... 3. I will admit I was wrong (SHOCKER OF THE CENTURY! Somebody admits they are wrong in the year 2017, it is almost too hard to believe!) in asking you how we will stop it. However the main point of that paragraph wasn't how will we stop architect abuse, but rather, if we can stop architect abuse, then we can stop donator abuse, meaning donators (Non-abusive ones) can receive creative back. 4. Again, I will admit that my phrasing and actual point were wrong (refer to SHOCKER in the 3. section.) While saying "I work because I want to, not because I need to." isn't bad, your actions are. If you worked in a store, you wouldn't insult a customer's mental capacity to their face. You wouldn't call them a disrespectful son of a biscuit eater to their face. And you wouldn't take their purchases without a refund. (This is in reference to /gm c being removed from all donators abusive or not, as breaking rules is a given you will have the abusive command removed.) However change customer to player, and it looks like we have horrible customer service. (Again not claiming you took /gm c from donators, just making a point that customer service is neglected on this server.) Granted, that was normal employees, managers (or in your case admins) on the other hand can normally do the above if the customer is being unreasonable, however Puff hasn't been. He hasn't been disrespectful, he hasn't been rude, and he hasn't been unreasonable, he has simply asked some questions you are trying to dodge. Alright, before we end, I had a much nicer 10 paragraph page here that was much more thought out and well written, however when I clicked "send" it claimed I wasn't logged in, so I had to re-write everything, however the general points made are roughly identical, just not the same words to get there. Also no hard feelings chippy, just having some fun.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/26 20:45:29 Tip: if you open a new tab and log into the forum, you can refresh your "failed to log in" page and it will post the comment.
Asriel🍆	Date sent: 2017/02/26 20:46:42 this is fun
Techy	Date sent: 2017/02/26 21:30:05 Chip, quick question: why would a builder need to go to a players location without them accepting?
ACeTheGreat98	Date sent: 2017/02/27 00:08:53 Chip not responding to my counter arguments is internally oppressing me.
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/27 01:29:00 another reason for removing /tp: It provides literally nothing beneficial. With /fly you can build great things without having to pillar up every two seconds. With /gmc (although i still don't support /gmc), at least you can still build stuff with it. But /tp? There's already /tpa. It does not provide anything beneficial, and it'll only cause problems for the community. It's a drawback without a benefit
Asriel🍆	Date sent: 2017/02/27 02:31:28 i think only staff members, and me, should have tp, because they have the right to go to a player if the player needs help, or if the player is a suspect of breaking rules.
belgnbor	Date sent: 2017/02/27 08:02:19 Whilst Chip says not all architects should be punished, its hard to catch people tp'ing, all you do is notice stuff gone, you've been moved or killed or something is off or they come and go so quickly you don't catch the name. As for those that say it was an accident when they are busted, sorry but you have to actually type a name in not just hit a button, so its no accident. I now no longer feel safe afk'ing or staff can't find any data when my stuff goes missing or i'm killed. The bulk of this started happening after architect (where tp is included) came out. True I can't prove it but its sucking the enjoyment out of the game. I agree with Galbby /tp has nothing to do with building which is what architect is for.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/02/27 08:18:48 /tp is useful because it allows players who have each other's implied consent to teleport instantly without having to constantly wait for tpa acceptance. Matodir wrote: "And Shindori, luigi won't be taking tp from everyone yet, he'll remove it when more people buy it, so money would've been made from it anyway. Much like TV advertising, advertising something and saying it's the best, even when it's not, but due to all that advertisement a lot of people would've already bought it by the time everyone realizes it sucks. Money would've still been made. " Matodir, I can't possibly imagine how you can come up with this argument when there is nothing officially stated on this website or on the server about the architect rank, or about it getting it getting /tp. There are no advertisements on the server about donating either. I don't want to pressure people into donating, and nor do I want too many people to donate for architect. That's how we're going to prevent abuse of creative mode, by limiting the amount of architects there are, so it will be easy to find abusers and remove the permissions from them individually instead of having to resort to removing it from everyone. On to Ace's point, staff are not employees and they're not paid. They are volunteers who dedicate their time to making the server a better place. I wouldn't expect any of them to have to go out of their way to help players who are rude, disrespectful and misbehave.
Matodir	Date sent: 2017/02/27 10:06:09 Brother, we already have about 10 Architects. Giulia, toxic, lego and ang are the 4 I know of. But I'm sure there are at least 4 more. I don't disagree with the Architect rank itself, I disagree with all the power it has. I respect that you're expanding the amount of possibilities on the server, but admit, /tp is the most abused command, you're not stupid, you know this. Say someone is afk, someone with Architect tp's and kills them. You can't roleback peopls can you? Drama. Should that person screenshot the Architect tp killing him while afk, you have to investigate and remove perms. Drama. It would also be nice if you spawn the player's lost items back. Drama, or force the Architect to give them back. Drama. See what I mean? /tp is just a cluster of drama.
Matodir	Date sent: 2017/02/27 10:10:34 Also, just a little idea, say you remove gmc from all Architects, just gmc. If this Architect builds something awesome, worth recognising, you award them with gmc and maybe a rank like Architect+ or GrandArchitect. So if someone buys Architect and builds something legendary like Lars, they can be noticed by their Architect+ rank and gmc as a reward. So, buy Architect, build great build, get Architect+ and gmc. Such as Lars, he is the most talented builder I've seen. Should he not be recognised?
Matodir	Date sent: 2017/02/27 10:12:34 Like this, people have to work, earn their gmc, not just pay for it. However if you see that 50 is too much for Architect without gmc, lower it to maybe 40.
Chip_Bruh	Date sent: 2017/02/27 14:43:33 TP killing can easily be found out as we can take a look at console logs.
galbby5	Date sent: 2017/02/27 15:08:41 removed, irrelevant
Puff30826	Date sent: 2017/02/27 16:31:20 "On to Ace's point, staff are not employees and they're not paid. They are volunteers who dedicate their time to making the server a better place. I wouldn't expect any of them to have to go out of their way to help players who are rude, disrespectful and misbehave.". So if I were staff I wouldn't have to help people who I find rude or disrespectful? Wouldn't that make me look like a bad staff member?
Matodir	Date sent: 2017/02/27 17:46:17 Apparently not Puff rofl. Basically all mods can abuse, ban anyone, ignore people, insult people. All allowed cause they're doing this voluntarily. Rofl.
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2017/02/27 21:50:14 Puff, it might if others have a different perspective on what is rude and disrespectful, but it wouldn't if the consensus is the same. After all, we have rule 3 which clearly states to be nice to other players, and this includes staff. One of the underlying rules is be respectful. If a player refuses to follow this simple rule, they may not receive a conventional punishment (depending on the severity they still could) but instead they might just not receive staff help to the extent another player would.

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