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Pheo's Ban Appeal V2

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Pheonix2000ad
Date sent: 2018/06/18 22:08:15
Username: Pheonix2000ad

Why were you banned: Doxxing a player on the discord server

When were you banned: 20 mins ago

I appreciate I was trolling CK to get a reaction, but please can you tell me how this constitutes as doxxing?

"Doxing or doxxing is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting private or identifiable information about an individual or organization."

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Ranthar
Date sent: 2018/06/18 22:28:56
first comment
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Randal
Date sent: 2018/06/18 22:30:16
Im going to -1 this appeal. You posted a picture even though slightly censored 4 times in the discord of Ck. It was still a picture of Ck and therefore you were banned for posting it without his permission.
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/06/18 22:30:24
+1

Reasons:
1. Banning players should not cross between Minecraft, Discord, forums, etc. He did something bad on Discord, then got banned on Minecraft for it.
2. This is something muting is intended for, not banning.
3: Any information presented was publicized by Ck himself, and doxxing is presentation of another's private information.
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Pheonix2000ad
Date sent: 2018/06/18 22:39:10
I made my ban appeal and it has been deleted, what am I meant to do?

here were the comments I had from staff to date:

Ranthar: first comment

not even a joke, ive been false banned now they are refusing my appeals? Randito is mocking me on the discord now I’m banned and is manipulating the evidence to keep me banned.

---------------------------------Ban appeal V2 before it was deleted----------

Username: Pheonix2000ad
Why you were banned: Doxxing a player on discord
When were you banned: 20 mins ago

I appreciate I was trolling ck, but what I did doesn't constitute as doxing as no personal information was given out.

"Doxing or doxxing is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting private or identifiable information about an individual or organization."
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/06/18 22:39:56
+1
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Ranthar
Date sent: 2018/06/18 22:40:54
First comment
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Aouldrain
Date sent: 2018/06/18 22:55:24
+1

Fucking hell.
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thomasjones
Date sent: 2018/06/18 23:38:29
+1
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/06/18 23:43:24
+1 I had all my reasons on the deleted app, but I don't wanna rewrite them.
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Miss_Awesome_2
Date sent: 2018/06/19 03:52:34
+1
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Michael9999995
Date sent: 2018/06/19 12:50:26
+1
i pledge my full support
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IAmSavannah
Date sent: 2018/06/19 13:11:36
+1
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ckvoss
Date sent: 2018/06/19 13:24:53
Any information presented was publicized by Ck himself

No... My facebook is private... I don't know how he found my dad's profile... That's like me going to your dad's profile to find pictures of you and showing it to everyone even though you don't want it to.

Most of you don't even know the situation. You are just friends with Pheo so you are having a biased vote...

This happens all of the time...

Someone gets warned -> they don't care and keep going -> gets punished -> acts innocent and asks for redemption -> all of his friends back him up

I appreciate I was trolling CK to get a reaction, but please can you tell me how this constitutes as doxxing?

Whether you THINK you were doxxing or not, you were warned by multiple staff. You sent a picture of my dad in pm one time... I told Loki and he says if something like that gets posted on the server discord, Pheo will be punished... I was not happy when you only got a warning the first time... But then you did it again... So... your fault. not mine. not staff. Just. Yours.

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Pheonix2000ad
Date sent: 2018/06/19 14:11:38
You are a sponge. YOUR DAD IS NOT IN THE PHOTO
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ImTyeDye
Date sent: 2018/06/19 17:02:15
you already know ya boy gets serious when he isnt on his 3 letter named account.

+1
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ckvoss
Date sent: 2018/06/19 20:21:57
Do you even understand the situation, people that +1'd? HE DOXXED ME AFTER WARNINGS! And you want him unbanned just because he's your friend?

You are a sponge. YOUR DAD IS NOT IN THE PHOTO

Did i say my dad is in the photo? No. You went to his profile and found pictures of me.
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/06/19 20:40:27
Lemme rephrase then
3: Any information presented was publicized by Ck's father, and doxxing is presentation of another's private information.


you want him unbanned just because he's your friend?
To me it sounds like you want Pheo banned because he isn't your friend. I mean really, did you get this mad at your father for doxxing you?
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Pheonix2000ad
Date sent: 2018/06/19 20:59:03
There isn't even any private information/photos of anyone. It is literally your skin with 'censored' written all over it. Im actually speechless that you are treating this as a problem
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thomasjones
Date sent: 2018/06/19 21:32:20
Loving how Pheo gets banned for doxing yet my forum account wount be deleted/ name changed even though it puts me at massive risk of doxing.
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Miss_Awesome_2
Date sent: 2018/06/20 03:32:56
how did pheo find the picture if ur dads profile was private. if it wasnt private then how is that doxxing. atleast put effort in ur lie
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ckvoss
Date sent: 2018/06/20 04:00:26
To me it sounds like you want Pheo banned because he isn't your friend.

No.. I want him banned because he broke the rules, bullied me (or you say "trolled"), and more.

There isn't even any private information/photos of anyone

You mean besides the fact that an admin sent me one of the pictures that YOU put in the discord so i can confirm that it is me, and it was? You are STILL denying that you broke the rules after warning.

how did pheo find the picture if ur dads profile was private. if it wasnt private then how is that doxxing. atleast put effort in ur lie

My dad's facebook isn't private. But, he somehow knew my dad's name and profile. Doxxing is search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.. So what if the facebook profile isn't set as "private". It isn't allowed that he can go to his account and post their photos for everyone to see. You call it a lie? You obviously don't care about the server and are here to do nothing but put up sad claims like everyone else is.
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/06/20 11:36:14
If he took the photo from a public source (like you dad's facebook), then it isn't doxxing.

And you can't say your father was just sharing it with friends, because if that was the case, he'd change his privacy settings to only allow friends or a whitelist of people see it. Your dad doxxed you, and I highly doubt you got this mad at him for it. Sharing photos from a public source has no penalty elsewhere, so why here?
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ckvoss
Date sent: 2018/06/20 13:05:32
The question still remains... How did he find my dad's facebook? If his name was never released...

Pheo doxxed me. It's a fact... Get over it and stop defending your guilty friend.
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Pheonix2000ad
Date sent: 2018/06/20 13:55:22
Did I find your dads Facebook? Yes
Did I release and sensitive information regarding you or Daddy? No

That’s not doxxing
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Presinus
Date sent: 2018/06/20 20:42:08
You told a player your name, who told a player who told a player and so on until eventually someone piped up in chat and said "did you know 'ckvoss' stands for 'C******* K******* Voss?'" Knowing that name, people can search for people with similar names or profile pics of them and a 15-year-old son. It's like a game of Guess Who.

Name by Ck -> Pic by Ck's dad -> Pheo is doxxing? As if
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/06/21 04:56:26
i am so fucking confused...
when tye posted a picture of me, he was banned for 3 days, but when pheo posts a picture of someone, he gets a permban?
can someone please explain this to me?????? am i missing something??
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wones9
Date sent: 2018/06/21 04:58:37
tom tbh like that's ur fault....
if you are actually concerned about getting doxed, use an account with a diferent name. if your name was unique i think it would be a bigger issue but i doubt anyone can dox you given your name is fucking thomas jones
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DanTheCook
Date sent: 2018/06/21 05:19:59
+1 Reasons that I think the ban was unjust:
Cross Platform As others have stated the ban was for something he did on the Webbcraft Discord, if any punishment should be laid down it should be done on that, although I don't think Pheonix's actions are grounds for any punishment.

Intent My really weak point, so I am putting it in the middle. We must remember that Pheonix's intent was to get a "reaction" out of you. This must mean that he thought it was a joke, and did not intend to cause harm to you. Ckvoss's bringing up the Wikipedia definition of Doxx also strengthens this point as Pheonix has made a point that he meant no harm to Ckvoss and had no evil desires, in contrast to "malicious intent" which would be :
Malicious intent refers to the intent, without just cause or reason, to commit a wrongful act that will result in harm to another. It is the intent to harm or do some evil purpose.

Lack of Actual Doxx / Severity Ckvoss is mad because a photo of him was taken from a corner of the internet and made public. However that photo was out there, anyone with enough time could have found the photo. As it has been presented, Pheonix never published any names, addresses, or phone numbers of the offended party nor anyone in relation with him, which if had been the case would have been grounds to call it a "Doxx." Ckvoss also brings into question how his fathers profile was found, but, again, the method Pheonix found Ckvoss's Father's Facebook is not against the rules. Even if Pheonix knows the names of Ckvoss's family, since he has not divulged the information, it is not a "Doxx."

Offended PartyI think this case also brings up a point I would like to make. In such cases where the offended party is a staff member the punishment: 1. Should not be given by the offended party, if at all possible, rather another staff member. 2. Should be reviewed by other staff member to ensure that the punishment was not more heavy-handed due to who the offended party was. 3. Should be compared to previous instances where the offended party was not a staff member.

As Wones said "when tye posted a picture of me, he was banned for 3 days, but when pheo posts a picture of [cvkoss, an admin], he gets a permban?"

I also don't think Ckvoss opinion should be taken into account in the appeal for the reason previously stated.
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Randal
Date sent: 2018/06/21 05:29:23
Ck isn’t staff
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DanTheCook
Date sent: 2018/06/21 05:42:08
Ooof. Understandable. My bad. My points still stand minus the part of him being an admin. Why did Pheonix receive a more serve punishment compared to other players.
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Randal
Date sent: 2018/06/21 15:48:00
Past actions leading up to this. Tye didn’t have any past actions that were punishable so he got a lesser punishment
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Pheonix2000ad
Date sent: 2018/06/21 20:32:03
Thanks for the support dan, I managed to get unbanned for this incident as staff agreed I didn't do anything wrong! now I just have to get unbanned for not caring about the server
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Tye
Date sent: 2018/06/21 23:53:02
+1

And Randal, I should've been banned longer. Past punishments shouldn't decide the severity of a punishment, unless they're a repeat offender. It should be equal (for example someone xrays they get a 30 day ban, 2nd xray offense is a perm ban.) It's simply an excuse for bias.

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