Bias, Hypocrisy, and More

Author	Message
lego1master1	Date sent: 2019/02/12 05:20:35 There is an issue. I've noticed with reading comments on mod apps and more that people make up their minds on issues simply based on ONE situation. For example, say someone is applying for mod or has a suggestion. One person might think "Oh I remember when they gave their opinion and I didn't like it" and they let that decide their vote or thoughts about it. What is that? Bias. A completely biased opinion or vote. One tiny situation and the whole ship goes down. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when one person judges someone's post based on one thing they recall not agreeing with? No. Another issue on forums and server alike is hypocrisy. You may not see it as an issue but oh boy, it comes raining like hellfire. Person A comes along and makes their statement that someone shouldn't be saying something to someone when they said the exact same thing not even a day before or after this happened. So many people are going around screaming at people and telling them not to do something when they do or say the same thing all the time. What we seem to have an issue with is immaturity. When a new person joins the server, we have our normal people who give the nice "Welcome! :D" or "Make sure to read the rules :)", but recently I've seen more and more people calling new players losers, idiots, etc. the moment they join. I don't see this as major, but it isn't right. Some people don't take kindly to stuff like that and you can easily make someone not want to play. The next part of this issue is a "whalecum". Guys, we know what this implies, and it isn't funny for half of the new people joining. If I was joining for the first time and I saw that, I'd immediately assume that this was a toxic community and I would not want to play. Constantly there are arguments in the chat. I don't care what it is about, but it becomes a problem because that is all chat becomes once one starts. What makes it worse is when you scream paragraphs at someone else about something and force the rest of us to deal with chat filling up with absolutely unnecessary messages. If you have a problem that is going to become that, take it to a DM or to the forums, please. The last thing I want to touch on tonight on this post is abuse. Command abuse mainly at that. So often you see people having conversations with broadcast or shouting random and stupid things in broadcast. Another issue with command abuse is kick-spam. I understand they are your friend, but seriously? The most recent issue ended up with 4 different people kicking each other several times each. I try to say that it is enough and guess what? I get kicked. You tell staff and they don't think anything about it. It is getting more and more annoying every time that it happens, and it honestly needs to be stopped. Broadcasting is not as much an issue, but I experience extreme lag when I get kicked. Sure, I can put up with once, but three times? Seriously? No. My computer freezes after that much and sometimes it is hard to get it back up (I have to use my laptop right now while we search for a new desktop, and once I get one this won't be as big of an issue) but I know some people have the same problems with this as I do.
Miss_Sassy34	Date sent: 2019/02/12 05:33:56 I 100% agree with paragraph 3-4 abusing defaults just because there defaults isnt fair at all and it can really affect the growth of the server and I dont think luigi would be happy about that. We were all defaults once why do we need to be rude to new ones. Also kick abuse is also not ok. It is meant for kicking people who are misbehaving or doing the wrong thing when staff are not on, not to just kick people to annoy them and I get people like to make jokes by kicking people but some people can get uspet or offended by it. I am not as concerned for broadcast abuse. People like to make jokes and have fun but it sometimes annoys me because people like me who dont have it and want to use it for the right reason is kinda a pain but i cant really help that so its not as a big deal +1
MaxWreck	Date sent: 2019/02/12 05:44:07 Here's my point of view: Mod apps comments As you say, it's unfortunate that one person gets a total -1 for one or two situations. One mistakes or one misbehaviour doesn't makes on person 100% not capable of being staff. A lot of misconducts leads to someone not being capable of, but not some anecdotes. Welcoming new players It's sad to see stupid welcoming messages. One can be used to say "Welcome, loser", but the new guy doesn't know that. Without it being something horrible or tragic, it's just undortunate that it's coming for people that are valuable players that we like, but have that kind of comment towards players that they don't know. Who knows, they could be their next very good friend on the server. Chat argument Arguing is a thing. I agree that sometimes, it should be handled in faction chat, or private messages, but it has to happen here and there. No one can stop someone from talking to someone else. Command abuse Take screenshots and report those to staff. About every week, someone loses his /kick or another command. We don't call it out loud like : "Hey, Brain lost another command today!!!!!", but it still happens. Feels free to report them, and we always discuss those situations and handle them the best we can to avoid annoying situations. And obviously, a lot of players act differently when no staff is on, which is disapointing but I would be surprised if that was not the case. It's fine to go a bit over the line (I remember one day, I told everyone that they were forced to talk in caps, for no reasons (we were 6 on the server), was so simple, but fun for everyone). If there is evidences of abuse, let us know and we'll handle those the best we can!
Miss_Sassy34	Date sent: 2019/02/12 05:44:45 Also i keep seeing members of the community constantly bullying and putting Aoi down and its difficult to watch. I know Aoi can be annoying at times but just because of a few issues doesnt mean it defines the person.
lego1master1	Date sent: 2019/02/12 15:01:13 I agree with you as well, Max And Sassy, as far as the Aoi situation goes, my biggest problem is if you are trying to kindly criticize said person and you get told by someone else that you aren't helping, when they legitimately scream at Aoi for random things.
Presinus	Date sent: 2019/02/12 16:36:58 So you're salty I -1ed your mod app, you think your input on the Aoi arguement was helpful and not just blatent insults, and you think everytime someone insults you, they are just as guilty of what they are accusing you of. Also you seem to think bias is something one can exist without, or exist with less of, but that is simply untrue. Hank Green explains bias in this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzxr9FeZf1g (I suggest you take a look.) As for hypocrisy, everyone is hypocritical at some point, they just don't notice it. Not to say you are more or less a hypocrite than I am, but I can tell you you are far more than you realize.
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2019/02/12 20:07:45 People shouldn't get involved in other people's arguments. The only reason the Aoi thing got out of hand was because of her unwillingness to leave me alone and instead start it up again everytime i logged onto the server. You guys didnt NEED to get involved. If you just ignored her nothing would have actually happened. Lego you were the worst offender. While me and Pres were actually arguing, you were literally just trying to get her mad because you thought it was funny. When people say that you aren't helping, maybe it's because you aren't. Hypocrisy applies to you aswell as everyone else. Don't say other people are hypocrites when, as the one screaming at Aoi for no reason, you say other people were screaming at Aoi for no reason.
Asriel🍆	Date sent: 2019/02/13 04:16:12 1. people have a right to their own vote, no matter the reason. a lot of -1 votes on my initial mod application were from people who i've never even seen on the server or forums. believe it or not, people seeing you do one thing they don't like may lead them to think that's who you are as a whole. you just gotta deal with it and not whine about -1 votes on your application. 2. i don't have a comment for this paragraph 3. yeah, you're playing minecraft, you can't expect everyone to be mature. i understand that immature people can be annoying, but in a video game that people are primarily playing to have fun, they don't want to have to act mature. i for one, am expected to act mature 24/7 in the real world, due to me holding more than one job, me still being in school, and between those, having to deal with a lot of people. minecraft (or any video game for that matter) isn't a place i should have to still act like a fully mature person. 4. if you have a problem with words on your computer screen, maybe the internet isn't the best place for you. i get that it can get annoying to see arguments in chat, especially ones that multiple people are participating in, but if they aren't causing any real harm to any player. insulting people or spamming in an argument is another issue, however 5. while kick spam, or kicking people for no reason if they say they don't want to is definitely bad, a lot of times it's just jokes between architects who both agree that it's no big deal to kick one-another, or it's a joke that the receiver of the kick doesn't complain about. stop complaining about people having fun. also, unless being spammed, there is no way to abuse broadcast. there is no harm done by using the command for any reason, especially if it's a legitimate announcement. i don't see why you would have a problem with people using the command, unless you have nothing better to do than to just complain about everything you come across.
Helperforever	Date sent: 2019/02/14 00:36:37 yo, unrelated, but can you not put USSR Missles under my home? thanks <3
GhostAoi	Date sent: 2019/02/14 03:31:38 Omg thanks for sticking up for me :))))) I agree with this, but you (somewhat), me and LOTS of other people who like the idea are kind of being hypocrites themselves. A lot of people are like 'yeah yeah, we shouldn't do that!' and they go and do it. I speak for myself sometimes when I say this too. It's almost as if it's too normal for them to change at this point... BUT I do agree.
lego1master1	Date sent: 2019/02/17 03:04:20 Aould I love how you think you're right. You are 100% wrong. You take NOTHING seriously and you are probably the main reason I posted this. "Arguing", more like screeching at Aoi. You were not helping in any way. Don't turn everything on me to seem like the higher power here. I understand we all do the same thing, but I thought it'd be best to finally say something about it. I didn't think it was funny, don't try that bullshit on me.
Presinus	Date sent: 2019/02/17 05:07:11 Lego that statement was such fine purity hypocrisy, scientists are now researching your body's chemistry in attempt to figure out how an organism can produce something so pure. Don't fucking act like you had any purpose on the planet that day, as I got logs that'll show how you became the most worthless man in the history of debate and conflict. You even messaged me saying how its fun to shit on Aoi
ThebrookeWalker	Date sent: 2019/06/28 15:50:16 +1 I witness it and it's kinda getting out of hand
ThebrookeWalker	Date sent: 2019/06/28 15:51:06 ^ i mean about the toxicity now not Aoi
Aouldrain	Date sent: 2019/06/28 21:26:47 You cause it Stop bumping useless threads

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