WebbCraft (Mushroom Co.) Server Feedback

Author	Message
Frazbo	Date sent: 2020/04/04 20:36:38 Hi there! I have been playing on the server for under a week and have been enjoying my time so far. I have not played Minecraft in years and this server has really got me back into it. During my time playing I have come across things that I believe would make the server superior and a better experience for the players. I’m not trying to slate or tell you how to run the server - just some ideas that I believe would be very beneficial to everyone involved (current and future players). Chat I’m not going to lie, I feel like the chat is a bit of a mess and unclear sometimes. I understand that a donation perk is to have your name custom in whatever style you wish which I think is a great idea but stuff like the < > tags before after a player name as well as the nickname ~ and factions ** really clutters up the chat. Also there are random blank gaps that appear every so often - It is unclear to me what plugin is creating this. Chat Formatting Player joining the server [+] Welcome Back, &Username! E.g. - [+] Welcome Back, Frazbo! Player leaving the server [-] Disconnected, &Username E.g. - [-] Disconnected, Frazbo Player talking in chat [&Rank] &Username: Chat message E.g. - [Citizen] Frazbo: Hey everyone! (Sadly I can not share colors for this formatting on the form) I believe the above would help to drastically improve the chart and make the server look more professional and keep the chat from looking totally random. As for the random gaps I would look into what plugin is causing that to occur as it also creates unnecessary clutter. Economy/Market I like what you are trying to do to create an economy on the server with players able to create their own shops. I think there should be a set place for people to build their own market stalls (That is clearly marked) and sell their items to other players. /Warp Shop currently is not great as it is very empty. I think if you create a new market area (In a void world) with plots of land that players can claim and build their own stores in would create more focus on the economy. Having all the shops in the same contained area will make it easier for players to find what they are looking for, unlike right now where it is all over the place. To make this work I think the best plugin for this would be chest shop as it is super easy to understand from the player’s POV and make the shop experience smooth for all parties. Buyers can see what is a shop as there needs to be a chest next to it making it clearer to understand what is a shop. Sellers can also easily keep track of stock by checking their chests. I don’t believe there should be an admin buy shop, only an admin sell shop. Either /sell (item) or a physical place at the /market for players to sell their items to get money. Also allowing everyone to use /baltop as a public command would create a competitiveness to the server to see who has the most money. This would also keep people busy collecting resources to sell to stay in the top 10. To encourage players to spend money I think there should be more focus on the lottery and other mini games like this that require a buy-in to participate. Donator & Normal Ranks I love the system you have in place for the normal player progression from default to citizen and so on. Surprised that the citizen rank is not automatically given to players that have played on the server for X amount of time. I think that should be implemented instead of people asking for ranks. I.e. If the time is set to 48hrs the player needs to have gametime of 48hrs to gain the rank. You can expand this to citizen + if the player has more gametime and so on. As for donation ranks why are these not handled though a plugin like Buycraft to make it quicker to give players their paid ranks? A buycraft page on the website/in-game that shows what perks you get for donating I would hope would increase the likelihood of players buying ranks. Just by communicating better (Not just on signs) what you get for your money would encourage more people, I would hope. Warp Time Delays I think a good idea to make the survival aspect more apparent is to add a 3 second delay to /warp, /spawn, /home, etc. As if you are in a pvp fight you can just /home and survive, same story with falling from a height or swimming in lava. The time amount could obviously be reduced as one of the donation rank perks. Website/Branding I know that the website and forms is not really a huge part of the server itself but I think it does add value to the community. I don’t think this needs to be done as a priority but I think it would definitely be beneficial in the long term especially as the website is not very mobile friendly at the moment. As for branding I personally unsure what the server is called - Is it WebbCraft or Mushroom Co.? As the server name is Mushroom Co. but the domain is WebbCraft.co.uk. Also there does not seem to be a logo or icon for the server that is universal across the server, website, etc. Again I don’t think this is a crucial change but would be really great to see as the website does seem outdated. Discord/TeamSpeak I believe something that would be advantageous to the community would be a communication server either be a discord or TeamSpeak where players can communicate via voice and share information quicker than typing in the Minecraft chat. This would be great to add as it would help to grow the community and allow players to get to know each other even more. I see this might be a thing already but it is not advertised on the server on the website at all. So if this is the case an auto announcement to advertise this server would be ideal. Spawn & Hunger Games/Spleef My feedback on this has changed as when I first joined the server the spawn was a small box which you can understand why I thought a server like this could do better. The current spawn is a great improvement from that box but I think the spawn should be like the market in a void world and a contained area. This would make it a lot more welcoming to new players to navigate and understand how this server functions (I.e. rules, warps, staff, etc). This could also be the hub for minigames such as spleef/HG so that players can play at their own time by the click to join system. On the other side of that I understand what you are trying to do with the faction plots but I think spawn would need to be a lot bigger to make that work as both an information hub and plot land effectively. Currently everything is split up and all over the place making it hard to easily access. Miscellaneous There are other small little bits of feedback like /rules not matching the actual rules (There are multiple variations of them). Adding /wild instead of having to click a button. Lag seems to be a huge problem and I don’t know what hardware the server is running but that is obviously the easy fix. An entity remover that runs X amount of times a day to clear all dropped items and general entities I would hope would help a *little* bit to reduce the lag on the server. Another thing would be the server’s description (MOTD) could be improved with some colors and a real description of what the server has to offer. I would love to help out in any area above to assist with possibly implementing these ideas. - Frazbo
Presinus	Date sent: 2020/04/05 01:13:53 I've played many servers, and they all use that [+]player thing. It's cliche, overrated, unoriginal, not fitting of this server. It's set up with a rather old format which I've grown fond of. The ** represents a faction leader, and the * represents a faction moderator, both of which are handy to know. I'm unwilling to get rid of faction names as a prefix, and they're limited to 10 characters anyway. Many players are boycotting shops because of a hefty sales tax. newyorksong should be the website guy imo. We already have discord, and the link is automatically announced, you just don't pay attention lol. We already have spleef. Spawn is not a small box anymore. Rules come in multiple forms which are all rather obvious. The lot of us agreed hub spawns are overused and not a whole lot of us like the hub style. There's no good way to do Hunger Games with our current setup, but we do have snowfight and mobarena. The rules are RULE 3; BE ETHICAL. The implication of that is to expect unwritten rules, and don't do something that obviously won't fly despite not being written in the rules. Entity clearers never worked here, and the lag isn't caused by that. +1 for updating the description though. -1 for the rest lmao. We're a community server -- it's up to the people to make market stalls, not the staff or devs. I'm not sure this is the type of server for your style.
Frazbo	Date sent: 2020/04/05 01:44:59 I appreciate you clearing some things up and explaining some reasoning behind actions. As a new player this is just my opinion on joining the server and and how I am interpreting information and sharing that experience to try again make it better for other new players. I believe you have misinterpreted this post in a lot of areas and skimmed through some of the details as I think you have misunderstood a lot of it. This is the suggestion forum everything above is a suggestion... What I was trying to get at about the economy is that stores should only created by the community. Only having admin shop for selling items not buying them as it is unlikely people are going to pay for items they can easily obtain.
Ninon	Date sent: 2020/04/05 14:43:31 Who are you?
CCShad Moderator	Date sent: 2020/04/06 05:46:32 Hey Frazbo! One of the major server aspects we strive to maintain here is a "classic" Minecraft server vibe, Mushroom Co. was created in 2012 following the closure of Webbcraft to continue on it's legacy (I hope that clears up the confusion you had with the server name, as well!). So please don't take offense if some of your more "modern" ideas and suggestions are shot down by the community. A lot of what we do is just simply following nearly a decade of tradition, which leads to a lot of repeated and abandoned suggestions, this includes things such as the spawn box and spawn town (We always have a "spawn town" with plots that can be claimed by anyone as part of the server central point, and the wood box spawn is always the first spawn after a reset, it was the first spawn we ever had all those years ago!), The chat formatting (Faction -> Rank -> Name, although we do have limits to avoid too much spam, players aren't allowed to have over 16 characters in their nickname or have too much &k formatting), and receiving rank promotions from staff members, among other things. Now, to answer several of your other questions: A lot of the lag is caused by our 1.3 plugins bashing with Minecraft 1.15, however you should notice it's now much improved as we've changed to a more reliable host! This is our server icon, The Mushroom Co. Flag Warp delays are unnecessary as we're not very based on PvP, the majority of players keep it disabled at all times apart from mini-games, so really it would just annoy players. The economy is one of the most long standing issues we've had on the server, we did have admin sell shops a couple years ago but it was very easy to abuse once you had some farms going, we wouldn't even be able to allow players to sell their diamonds for a decent price above $5 each, as a more skilled player could make an emerald farm with villagers and convert the emeralds to diamonds with trading, and make hundreds of thousands in days, crashing the entire economy. All economy suggestions are greatly appreciated, as we've tried a few things over the years and are still looking into finding the best way to go about it. I think having Hunger Games is a great idea, we haven't had it since the very early years and I believe it's still advertised on our page on several server lists lol. We could make it much better now, too.
thomasjones	Date sent: 2020/04/06 15:18:56 CCShad why on earth is the server using plugins that are 8 years old? Also which plugins are being used that are so out of date?
ImTyeDye	Date sent: 2020/04/06 16:53:14 all of them, they haven’t been updated in 6 years, along with essentials which is still from like 2012
Ninon	Date sent: 2020/04/09 23:38:23 Seriously who the fuck is he. Death to his ideas.
Zabra	Date sent: 2020/04/13 02:45:37 I mean, plugins do need updating... like cmon...
luigiofthebakery Moderator	Date sent: 2020/04/13 10:38:55 Just to clear up a common misconception, the plugins do not cause lag. Newer versions of the plugins however would add additional overhead and are incompatible with our current database and setup.
Ninon	Date sent: 2020/04/13 21:03:59 The perfect excuse to not update them in years!
Luva	Date sent: 2020/04/14 03:39:28 I feel like I have a bit I can add to this. 1. The "random blank gaps" appear in chat whenever a player votes. For the player that votes, they appear as a message thanking you for voting. But for everyone else, they appear as gaps in chat. 2. We don't have a BuyCraft currently, although I believe it would be a very good thing to consider. 3. The server actually does have a Discord, here's the invite link if you'd like to join: https://discord.gg/uAT9Dy3 4. There are a lot of discrepancies and incongruities surrounding the advertising of the server on websites like Planet Minecraft as well as the actual rules of the server. I also agree that these need improving and maintaining.
ImTyeDye	Date sent: 2020/06/10 05:08:24 +1 I’ve been thinking about this for a while, and I agree. Also I had to write this twice because it logged me out when I submitted so it never went through. Chat I can agree, chat can be a bit clustered sometimes, especially for a new player. I see a lot of Defaults calling people by their factions instead of their name, and I wish there was an actual convenient way to fix this. It gets annoying after a while seeing a message like “hey aura, do you have any iron I could borrow? I just started and i’m super low on gear durability” I believe this is what you’re talking about involving the specific formatting of chat and join/leave messages: Personally, I enjoy the current join and leave messages of the game a ton. The suggestion you gave gives me a vibe of hub servers, which I don’t like that. I especially like that staff have their rank colors as they’re name, and gives you an immediate notice on if they’re a staff member or not, and their rank. With the chat, although I believe that a new chat layout is kinda needed, it is also very essential to know someone’s faction. It’s our community, our friend groups, our building buddies. If everyone didn’t have their faction tag next to their name it’d be hard to discern if they’re factionless unless you personally know them. Economy The economy on the server is messed up, and it’s been needing a redo for years now, particularly the taxes. For players that own shops a lot of them earn very little money from it compared to what they should. With certain items, if you sell them you’re almost giving them away to people with how high the prices are. I recommend an outright removal of taxes, a redo or new version of the economy and lottery plugin. The amount of money we lose on just taxes alone is insane, to the point that /withdraw had to be disabled because of taxes. I kind of like the idea of there being a separate world or area for just shops. Maybe like we have our spawn town, you can have /warp shop be remade in a remote location and have players build their own little shops around that. Although this is kinda useless with almost all shops having access to them with warps, /warp beltopia or /warp dubzshop for example. Also, a lot of people theme their shops with the location they’re in, and they wouldn’t want to have to force their theme in a plains biome or something. Shops like endermarket are based solely in the end, and only sell end goods. With chest shop, we have it but the plugin is broken. If possible i’d love for it to be fixed as it’s better than the sign shops in my opinion, and you’re able to buy goods off of players which is also a great way to earn money for people that don’t really want to set up their own shop. I had a shop like this 3 years ago called /warp sellshop where I bought goods and also sold them, and it was a ton of fun when it was decently active. Also everyone can use /baltop I believe. Ranks Citizen isn’t really a rank to show that you’ve been on the server for a while, it’s used as a clear signal to staff, and normal players that “hey, this guy read the rules.” I’ve seen a suggestion that suggests that we should have a fake spawn, one where defaults spawn in and can’t talk in chat. They go through a little tour room and learn the rules both by seeing them on signs and also a little visual interpretation for those sorts of learners. If we can make the Mush Co. resource pack a forced texture pack that you can use when you join, this would give an incentive to players to both get points for the swords available in the texture pack, but you could also possibly use NBT tags on music discs or something so that people could hear the rules read out loud auditory and that would help all 3 types of learning and be a ton of fun as a little project for people to get together and make something beneficial to the server. I’ve seen a server that I sometimes play on implement this, and I love it. It ensures that people can’t play the game, or talk in chat if they haven’t read the rules. After they read the rules, they use /member and they’re at the real spawn and they have access to all of [Member]’s commands. This should also be implemented especially because of bot spams. This is a very often event that happens, where a ton of default joins, spams racial slurs or advertises a server and leaves. Adding this would help control the situation as those bots can’t spam chat, and i’m pretty sure the botter won’t have all 50 bots read the rules and obtain citizen and spam from there. Also, we do have time based ranks, with Member being 1 year, and Veteran being 3 years, 60+ hours of activity and no previous bans in the past year. With donation ranks, you’re not really purchasing a rank. You’re giving luigi a donation and as a bonus he gives you a role as a little thank you. That’s also why it’s not automatically done, and it’s done manually as purchasing ranks is against the EULA. Luigi is staying safe while also making a profit from the server. He’s giving a reward to the people, while also trying to stay away from his server getting blacklisted by Mojang. If he really wanted to, he could take all our ranks away and just say “all you did was help pay for the server, I only gave you VIP+ as a little thank you.” Again, we don’t run these through buy craft as they’re clearly not purchases. Buycraft is only used for ranks and crate keys and stuff that DO NOT give an advantage against other players in a gameplay setting. Our donation ranks clearly do give advantages with /fly, /gmc and /j and stuff. If we ran it through buycraft, either buycraft and/or mojang would take us down for breaking the EULA. Warp Delay We’re not a solely pvp server or anything like that. In the rare occurrence that you are pvping or something, after you die you can easily /back and get all your stuff back instantly. Implementing a delay would be a waste of time; literally. Website/Branding I’ve suggested updating the website for a long time, and making it mobile friendly. I almost exclusively visit the forums on my phone to check up on mod apps, suggestions and see new stuff going on. I really only use my computer on the forums when making long thought out replies like this or updating my mod app for whatever reason. Rebranding with a new design would be a great addition, and could attract new players if they see that the owner cares enough and gives attention to detail on the small things, even when the forums isn’t the main thing to focus on. We could hire a professional developer, or migrate over to a website like WiX and host our domain over there. A huge problem I see with this, and I mean huge is the deletion or corruption of previous forum articles. A lot of us like to look back at old topics just to get some nostalgia, see history, or even with a lot of people looking at old mod apps of current and former staff when writing their own, as they know it worked for somebody else so it might work for them. Also, we should hire a professional graphic designer to redo the voting banner, as that brings in a lot of people too. We need something unique though, not just those shitty gifs that say FACTION, ECONOMY, PVP over and over. Something sleek, clean and very unique to only us. Shad already shown our logo, so I won’t go over that. I will however go over the WebbCraft and Mushroom Co. names. Here’s a bit of Mush lore. Before Mushroom Co. was a server, there was WebbCraft. Luigi played on this server, and he loved it. When the server died and was shut down, Luigi decided to make his own, and tyran68 (the owner of WebbCraft) helped him out and let him use the name and all that stuff Discord We already have a discord. Spawn I can understand your concern about the spawn, but it’s tradition. It’s off putting to new players, but it gives is all nostalgia and personally reminds me that every time you start over, there’s always something new out there, something to do. Every map reset, we always start with the same 5x5 wooden box with the 3x3 Mushroom Co. logo. With the new spawn, I assume you’re talking about the Big Ben spawn which is actually a recreation of the spawn we had for the 5th anniversary. Although I like the original more, I enjoy them both and it gives me nostalgia every time I /spawn. Our spawn has a very unique concept, it has a center point and the players have the ability to make their own little houses and builds and stuff around the spawn, forming the spawn town. So far, so think Mush is the only server to do this and I love it. Instead of it being a closed off dome like most spawns, it’s a town that could theoretically extend forever, and it’s a little community project that we’ve had for years. Minigames I love minigames, but i’m getting kind of tired with just spleef, pvp and snowball fight. Like Shad said we had hunger games a while back, but I don’t know how well we’d be able to do that with our current plugins. Hunger Games requires an extremely large area, and a ton of people playing it to operate well, and our plugins are almost a decade old and would be almost impossible to be able to run it side by side. We should have already been actively updating the plugins but luigi prefers the older plugins. I do recommend updating plugins though as it would help people stay instead staying outdated, be able to feature more plugins and even fix things like the previously mentioned chest shop and even /suicide. The only problem I see with this is donation ranks. We use GroupManager, and to my knowledge there’s not a version of it in 1.15.2. This means we’d have to switch over to other plugins like LuckyPerms and PEX, and that would be a hassle to retrain staff on the new commands and also get perms and prefixes set up accurately again. The really big problem though is everyone’s factions and ranks being reset, and we’d all be defaults again. If luigi was smart when he started taking donations, he should have an actively updated log of what each player donated for, what perms they bought extra/lost, and how much in total they paid. If not, we’d have to wing reupdating roles off memory or screenshots and that’s a huge hassle. If possible, we should go for it totally. Miscellaneous With /rules, like the previously mentioned outdated plugins, our current config file for rules only supports up to 10 rules, while our server has 15. Updating would fix this, or if the other suggestions get implemented we could quite possibly bring that 15 down to 10, although that’s unlikely as you’re more like to have your mod app accepted than your suggestion to be accepted. With lag, a huge problem was our host. We recently switched hosts, and we get way more RAM, so less lag, and it’s way cheaper then it was before. That extra money could go towards the branding for the website making it look good and be mobile friendly, and the voting banner, or even just advertisement. With the MotD, I haven’t even thought about that lol. Updating it would be great and make the server more attractive in the Multiplayer menu, and I’d be happy to help in this as I’ve got experience in that sort of stuff, and decorating. I think that just about covers it. Thanks, Tye
Peppi	Date sent: 2021/02/06 17:54:32 stuff nerd bot xd

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